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US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by themagician »

dekhn wrote: post #399
themagician wrote: post #272

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This is a push by the DoD to make American's believe in US military and intelligence superiority—only a supremely powerful government would be able to coverup the existence of extraterrestrial life for 50+ years. World order is changing. China is a rising military power. People may even see foreign spy aircraft (e.g. Chinese weather balloons) over US airspace. The DoD would rather you believe it's aliens. This kind o…

Are you really comparing China to the US in terms of military power? China just finished their first domestic aircraft carrier, and the current military hasn't really been in any major war. In the meantime, the US has continually maintained a state of readiness and nearly constant wars while modernizing its fleet. But you had to just go 9/11 Truther which means nobody here should really be paying attention to you.

Is it really “9/11 truther” to believe the terrorists flew planes into buildings and the government was too incompetent to stop them? I believe that’s the most anti-truther take possible.

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Post by mcpackieh »

akiselev wrote: post #392
mcpackieh wrote: post #390

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> Alcubierre drive Relies on "exotic matter" that violates known laws of physics.

It actually doesn't violate the laws of physics. Matter with negative mass has never been observed before, making it purely theoretical. Theoretical basis! Besides, exotic matter is a shortcut to the energy required, not a necessary part of the Alcubierre drive.

> Matter with negative mass has never been observed before, making it purely theoretical.

It's worse than merely theoretical because the theories we use to describe reality at present don't give us any reason to believe such exotic matter must exist, and there is no empirical evidence for such matter existing.

But slice it anyway you like, the Navy isn't operating these and there is no theoretical basis for explaining the sort of antigravity craft that UFOologists claim these Navy videos show. They aren't Alcubierre drives, that is simply absurd.

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Post by themagician »

ribosometronome wrote: post #369
themagician wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a push by the DoD to make American's believe in US military and intelligence superiority—only a supremely powerful government would be able to coverup the existence of extraterrestrial life for 50+ years. World order is changing. China is a rising military power. People may even see foreign spy aircraft (e.g. Chinese weather balloons) over US airspace. The DoD would rather you believe it's aliens. This kind o…

>only a supremely powerful government would be able to coverup the existence of extraterrestrial life for 50+ years. The allegations by David Grusch that set all this off included that there's been a decades long competition between various nations to collect these craft. From The Debrief Article >“His assertion concerning the existence of a terrestrial arms race occurring sub-rosa over the past eighty years focused…

It’s largely ignored because it’s not true. It’s shocking how many people believe in “Rosewell”. I mean… really? Really?! Only in America.

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Post by sph »

kneebonian wrote: post #14
Simulacra wrote: post #6

What I find most fascinating about aliens and UFOs is that they always seem to be heading for America. If a UFO arrived from another galaxy it might choose any place to land, but talk is always America-centric. Do other countries feel so UFO special?

So not saying I necessarily believe (but "I want to believe") the argument could be the US has better airspace monitoring than other countries and more ability to publish and disseminate information. If a UFO lands in the middle of.the Congo whose going to know or be aware. The other alternative if Russia which is similarly sized and equipped but they tend to be pretty cagey sharing information. So it ends up being t…

The "US tech is light years ahead" is nonsense when this time around the story is that the US has an ultra secret UFO retrieval agency. How is it possible that no UFO has crashed outside the US jurisdiction, where they can't send their MIB in 2 hours?

Also, I'd like to remind Americans that we're not caveman here. We do have radar and jets flying and cameraphones.

The problem is that if you want to believe, you're ready to throw any kind of common sense and elementary logic out the window. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof and this ain't it.

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Post by mcpackieh »

dekhn wrote: post #399
themagician wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a push by the DoD to make American's believe in US military and intelligence superiority—only a supremely powerful government would be able to coverup the existence of extraterrestrial life for 50+ years. World order is changing. China is a rising military power. People may even see foreign spy aircraft (e.g. Chinese weather balloons) over US airspace. The DoD would rather you believe it's aliens. This kind o…

Are you really comparing China to the US in terms of military power? China just finished their first domestic aircraft carrier, and the current military hasn't really been in any major war. In the meantime, the US has continually maintained a state of readiness and nearly constant wars while modernizing its fleet. But you had to just go 9/11 Truther which means nobody here should really be paying attention to you.

A "9/11 Truther" is somebody who disputes the 9/11 Commission's Report. themagician is doing the opposite; men with box cutters crashing planes into buildings is precisely what the 9/11 Commission Report says. Will realizing this change how you feel about the merit of his comment, or will you still feel the same way even though your original reason for feeling this way was completely backwards?

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Post by booleandilemma »

Is there anyone else that just doesn't believe any of this ufo stuff whatsoever? The whole thing seems like a massive waste of time and resources when we have real problems that need solving.

Where is the evidence of any of this stuff?

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Post by [deleted] »

heavyset_go wrote: post #354
nradov wrote: post #336

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I don't understand your comment. Russia has no real capability to fly surveillance aircraft over US territory. They can barely manage to fly to Syria without breaking down.

I said: > China/Russia/whoever As a placeholder for potential US adversaries who might have the motivation do something like this. If you don't like that I said Russia, ignore it and fill it in with China.

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Post by mitchdoogle »

esbranson wrote: post #414
heavyset_go wrote: post #308

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From the NY Times article: > "Over half of all U.F.O. reports from the late 1950's through the 1960's were accounted for by manned reconnaissance flights" over the United States, the C.I.A. study says. "This led the Air Force to make misleading and deceptive statements to the public in order to allay public fears and to protect an extraordinarily sensitive national security project." This is exactly what happened wit…

Every witness says there's not a chance in Hell that UFOs are human. But no one reports seeing aliens except abductees. People desperately want to believe aliens aren't real, and some real mental gymnastics to get there. Like believing "debunking" videos from crackpots and videogame programmers (which real pilots say are nonsensical), or "this one time in the 60s the CIA".

I think you have it backwards. I think anybody who is remotely interested in this topic would love for proof of aliens to come out. It's just such an extraordinary claim, that their skepticism demands extraordinary proof. Eyewitness reports and low-res grainy videos are just never going to be enough, no matter who they come from. And that's how it should be. If there is real proof of aliens, it will be on the front page of every newspaper in the world, because it would be the most important discovery of all human history. It will be corroborated with physical evidence that has been examined by multiple experts and professionals. Until that happens, most people are going to be skeptical, and rightly so.

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Post by ALittleLight »

heavyset_go wrote: post #335
godelski wrote: post #312

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Another part is that people don't realize how within the government, and especially the military, there are a lot of false documents and reports that are sitting around AND highly classified. You do this because there are spies and they will steal shit. You want to make that process noisy. It's also beneficial because you may get your adversary to spend millions or billions studying a thing that isn't even possible.…

To add to this, I've noticed a lot of the material that gets declassified, that is purported to be evidence of aliens/psychics/magic/etc, is in the form of field notes or case studies that either contain full quotations or summaries of what someone else claims is true, but are not actually experiments or demonstrations of what is claimed. For example, you might have a declassified CIA document that's being distribute…

When they first released the CIA psychic documents I clicked a few at random and my impressions were much different. The papers I read were very much "We're conducting this experiment on remote viewing. Here are our procedures and results."
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