I find it pretty wild that members of congress are having to draft bills to pull out any secrets that may be happening in government programs so secret that even they don't know about it. It speaks very loudly to how little accountability there is to where tax payer dollars are going.
US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs
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Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs
#462I find it pretty wild that members of congress are having to draft bills to pull out any secrets that may be happening in government programs so secret that even they don't know about it. It speaks very loudly to how little accountability there is to where tax payer dollars are going.
Is it? We have over 500 members of congress -- do we want all of them to have access to any secrets they want?
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#463Earlier quoted context omitted.
To add to this, I've noticed a lot of the material that gets declassified, that is purported to be evidence of aliens/psychics/magic/etc, is in the form of field notes or case studies that either contain full quotations or summaries of what someone else claims is true, but are not actually experiments or demonstrations of what is claimed. For example, you might have a declassified CIA document that's being distribute…
When they first released the CIA psychic documents I clicked a few at random and my impressions were much different. The papers I read were very much "We're conducting this experiment on remote viewing. Here are our procedures and results."
And great experiments like randomly dosing Americans with LSD and torturing war prisoners to death.
Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs
#464Ezra Klein just did a long interview with Leslie Kean (a popular author and Coast to Coast AM guest) about her article in "The Debrief" --- where it went, after the Washington Post wouldn't run it on her time schedule --- about David Grusch: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/20/opinion/ezra-klein-podcas... It does not make Kean and Grusch's claims sound a lot more credible. Some of Kean's sources are proponents of thin…
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Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs
#465I find it pretty wild that members of congress are having to draft bills to pull out any secrets that may be happening in government programs so secret that even they don't know about it. It speaks very loudly to how little accountability there is to where tax payer dollars are going.
Is it? We have over 500 members of congress -- do we want all of them to have access to any secrets they want?
Yes, how else are they supposed to make informed voting choices? It's literally their job to have access to secrets so they can represent the public at large that can't.
Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs
#466Ezra Klein just did a long interview with Leslie Kean (a popular author and Coast to Coast AM guest) about her article in "The Debrief" --- where it went, after the Washington Post wouldn't run it on her time schedule --- about David Grusch: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/20/opinion/ezra-klein-podcas... It does not make Kean and Grusch's claims sound a lot more credible. Some of Kean's sources are proponents of thin…
it's all people who heard something who heard something
This doesn't directly prove the claims of Grusch or anybody else, of course. But it is a decently persausive explanation for why it's always "people who heard something who heard something" and not direct sources.
"if Grusch is right about any of this, why did the DoD allow him to say it publicly"
One thing you have to say about Grusch is that he is really putting it all on the line. He is going through the official whistleblower channel and is triggering a major investigation.
If he is telling the truth, the DoD would more or less be admitting guilt by going after him.
(There is also a third possibility. Grusch is being truthful, but he and/or others have been deceived. I think wrapping a secret program under the cover of some UFO nonsense could be pretty effective camouflage, since UFO-related claims usually are instantly deemed noncredible in the eyes of many)
"she has a particularly harebrained theory that DoD
classification rules allow Grusch to describe this
stuff in generalities as long as he doesn't cross a
line of specificity, which, just, no"
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#467Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here's my post in response to a comment in the "US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles" HN thread[1] from a few weeks ago that addresses this: > Watch the introduction to the 4 hour UAP panel that NASA hosted a few days ago[2], they address this. > According to NASA, even highly trained and experienced pilots can easily be fooled, and often reported UAPs are artifacts of the tec…
Occam's razor tells us it's unlikely that all those unlikely failures happened at once. Videos, multiple eyewitnesses and AEGIS military radars. Lol.
Now apply Occam’s razor to the following two choices:
1. Aliens have visited Earth. They crashed their spaceships or we shot them down. The US Government (and possibly other governments) retrieved and studied their technology and managed to keep it a secret for decades
2. Aliens have not visited Earth
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#468Earlier quoted context omitted.
“never appearing within clear view of cameras” - the signal to noise ratio is abysmal, but they have and do. Thing is, accepting the idea of the extraordinary and inexplicable is rather difficult for humans. Doug Adams explained it pretty succinctly with his idea of the “somebody else’s problem” field, whereby you could paint a mountain bright pink, and it would become invisible to a majority of observers through its…
You should link the YouTube footage!
Just went looking - it’s gone, it seems - the only videos I can find are from “believers” and aren’t of what I saw.
There is, however, a still from it in this article with the heading “Unexplained:”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2129133/amp/Sonic-b...
It hung in the sky exactly like a brick wouldn’t, and had a weird, knobbly shape - and as the jets approached, it became clear it was pretty sizeable. It was also quite definitely what the typhoons were there to investigate, as they immediately flew towards it, and I would be prepared to write it off as a weather balloon were it not for the ensuing cock-and-bull story, and the cloud that materialised around it as they neared.
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#469Earlier quoted context omitted.
> “You spend a lot, but you get the best!” sounds a lot better than “You spend a lot, but we still suck!” This argument doesn't make any sense. The US military is better than the next top three militaries combined. The Ukraine war is showing the superiority of decades old Western tech.
The war in Ukraine is showing that the "superpowers" aren't so super. It's showing just how much of the military superiority is propaganda and nothing more. But we already knew that, because the US just went through what Russia is now going through. The US just lost a 20 year war in Afghanistan against cave dwellers with Soviet-era rifles, homemade explosives and random bits from the bottom of a toolbox. You'd think…
> The US just lost a 20 year war in Afghanistan against cave dwellers with Soviet-era rifles, homemade explosives and random bits from the bottom of a toolbox.
To be fair the US left Afghanistan and the remaining Afghani army crumbled to the taliban pretty quickly.
I’d say the two situations are very different, the US successfully occupied a country that was ~7000km from them.
The Russians have so far failed to take a city that’s ~200km from their own border in about 1 and a half years.
Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs
#470Call me when we other countries supposedly find such UFOs.