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US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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That's an interesting thought experiment. Any technology that much more advanced than our own would require intermediary technologies before we could replicate it. If you took a car back to ancient Rome, they wouldn't be able to replicate it in one step even if they understood it, because you need sufficiently refined fuel, metallurgy, manufacturing precision, etc. The technological baseline needed to rollout any wil…

> If you took a car back to ancient Rome, they wouldn't be able to replicate it in one step even if they understood it, because you need sufficiently refined fuel, metallurgy, manufacturing precision, etc. A bicycle is an even better example. It is 100% understandable to a Roman just via looking and touching, but replicating a bicycle in Rome isn't as easy as it looks. The chain alone is a problem.

Why would the chain be a problem? The Romans could make metal rods, rivets, and some of their finer metalwork is crafted with more precision than any bicycle chain.

The real difference is that it would take an army of ancient craftsmen to make one bike.

The real distinguishing factor with modernity is mass manufacturing and precision at scale.

Even moreso income inequality and competition with slavery.

Any roman who could afford a bicycle would rightly think it was rubbish compared to a horse. All this expense just to propel myself around?!

The same goes for most modern conveniences. Even the best modern dishwasher is less efficient than a human slave doing the same task, if you're indifferent to the suffering of the slave, as the Romans were.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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This is a good thread to catalog red herring techniques. * The government has previously used X to divert attention therefore there is no X. * The person saying X is an accomplice of X and cannot be trusted. * Demanding the answer to the question about X is dangerous because national security. * X is a distraction from something bad Trump did. * X is a distraction from something bad Biden did. * X is a distraction fr…

This is precisely why I've always been most fond of the explanation that "the UFO thing" is a training ground for US psychological warfare officers. We're target practice for US disinfo campaigns.

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This does not track for me at all. I'm sorry but why would anybody in the DOD have an incentive to "make Americans believe in US military and intelligence superiority"?

To keep Americans happy about the over 3/4 Trillion dollars we spend on defense every year? “You spend a lot, but you get the best!” sounds a lot better than “You spend a lot, but we still suck!”

> “You spend a lot, but you get the best!” sounds a lot better than “You spend a lot, but we still suck!”

This argument doesn't make any sense. The US military is better than the next top three militaries combined. The Ukraine war is showing the superiority of decades old Western tech.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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The thing that bothers me is they supposedly have 12 or more craft that have crashed. Aliens have super sophisticated tech that is hardy enough to travel millions of light years through space but it crashes so easy on earth? What caused them to crash? I'd like to believe, and I think 1 or 2 might be reasonable but the claim is 12, which doesn't account for ships obtained by other nations as Grusch said I'd happening.…

> Aliens have super sophisticated tech that is hardy enough to travel millions of light years through space but it crashes so easy on earth? What caused them to crash? Multiple different sets of aliens, fighting over Earth. (I’m not saying that this is true, just that it is one scenario that explains crashes happening if there were aliens as described building craft capable of visiting Earth.)

Maybe they're crashing the crafts on purpose to ease the human race into accepting their presence. Maybe they're gifts. Maybe it's not DoD running psyops, but the aliens themselves...

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Counter-example: the obsolete space telescopes NRO donated to NASA in 2012 were better than what NASA had despite being nearly two decades old by that point. > An unnamed space analyst stated that the instruments may be a part of the KH-11 Kennen line of satellites which have been launched since 1976, but which have now been largely superseded by newer telescopes with wider fields of view than the KH-11. The analyst…

Those mirrors aren't exotic technology. They're undoubtedly very expensive and difficult to produce but at the end of the day they're as mundane as any other first surface mirror. They don't evidence the government having some sort of new paradigm of technology kept secret, like antigravity instead of normal airplanes or something like that.

That's like saying a Apple M2 Max is mundane because you've got a CPU from the 80s. The interesting part isn't the mirror but how they made it. They're obviously not mundane, otherwise NASA would have designed Hubble to use equivalent optics.

Any actually interesting technology would be under a Secrecy Order [1] and the patents wouldn't see the light of day, perhaps ever. The few examples we know of were definitely cutting edge exotic technology at the time they were classified including the Manhattan project and the development of jet engines. Based on what little we know, the Secrecy Orders are very effective - some gaseous centrifuge technology used for enrichment in the 1940s and 1950s is still considered cutting edge and secret.

Antigravity is just fantasy land. All it would take is a factor of two improvement in any number of technologies to make something exotic.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invention_Secrecy_Act

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All entertaining to speculate, but it's classic human-centered thinking to suppose that aliens would be regularly appearing a few thousand feet or so from us, but never ever anywhere in the rest of the billions of miles of our solar system and everywhere else in between here and wherever they came from (in addition to their conveniently never appearing within clear view of regular citizens' phones or cameras and neve…

In this context, it actually makes sense to think in a human-centered way. Consider how many planets are capable of supporting intelligent (as we know it). Now suppose we detect evidence of industrial behavior (certain pollutants, nuclear detonation, etc). Would we not laser focus on that one planet and observe it with everything we have - including sending reconnaissance drones? Furthermore, would we not want to avo…

> Also, it would be trivial to avoid detection in our own solar system. Duck behind a moon or planet, or just quietly float in the blackness of space, and no earthling will ever see you.

Feels like we're approaching a God of the gaps scenario here, but with aliens.

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So to temper expectations, the article only cites Republican Marco Rubio has having any real inquisitive drive to unearth clandestine UFO knowledge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_cat_strategy Chances are excellent Rubio might be doing this to try and draw attention away from several state supreme court rulings striking down bans on transgender care and drag shows incepted and championed by republicans. If not th…

Rubio is a member of the "gang of eight" which means he's about as uniparty as they come - the letters next to the names of people on that committee do not mean anything. Their allegiance is to the military industrial complex. They've all got the stamp of approval of the US intel community, which has probably been spying on them and blackmailing them since they launched their first political campaigns.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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>the now-discredited "Gimball Video" Source? I don't think there was ever a consensus that it was discredited. Googling "Gimbal Video discredited" doesn't give me anything definitive.

As I understand it, that video illustrates either a camera glare artifact, or alien technology very carefully tuned to replicate a camera glare artifact.

Well somehow the glare showed up on the aircraft carrier's instrumentation the pilot launched from as well as the jet itself and the jets of other pilots who can be heard on the video confirming the sighting on their own IR and radar.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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This is a push from Congress to force programs into the open that are secretly capturing Russian/Chinese UAVs right? Folks on the committees are angry that China is trolling US Navy vessels with UAVs and this isn’t being publicized. The “non-earth” origin is the smokescreen, “exotic” covers foreign secret research projects? Something a bit convoluted like this is orders of magnitude more probable in my world model. (…

> This is a push from Congress to force programs into the open that are secretly capturing Russian/Chinese UAVs right? Folks on the committees are angry that China is trolling US Navy vessels with UAVs and this isn’t being publicized.

Why? They could just say "we have advanced but secret systems that can tell China is up to something".

There was just a balloon, and another round of em over Asia -- no one would be surprised.

This isn't about China, it's about Trump and the hard-right conspiracy types going ape-shit, esp. since those indictments have teeth. The DoD has been doing this since the 90s and Oklahoma City.

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Seems odd and counterproductive to include the "non-earth" and "exotic" language at all then. Why not refer to all "non-domestic aerospace material" instead? A group who provably knows they have Chinese hardware would be much harder to prosecute under the current language.

They are getting way more press this way? Doesn’t seem counterproductive at all to me.

What does the press get them? The Russians/Chinese or whomever are flying these theoretical UAVs know they aren't alien, the US government knows they aren't alien, and now not only us the US exposing its intelligence capabilities (or lack thereof,) they're making themselves look like fools in the process.
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