US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

Post by prirun » Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 7:38 PM UTC

joshuahedlund wrote: post #278

simmanian wrote: post #194

I like to entertain myself with the idea that perhaps what's driving the recent spotlight on UFOs is not that we are seeing/detecting them, but that we are detecting more and more of them. Maybe governments around the world have always known about objects flying/floating around. And that was fine because there are many natural causes that could explain these blips on radar. Many weather phenomena or man made objects…

All entertaining to speculate, but it's classic human-centered thinking to suppose that aliens would be regularly appearing a few thousand feet or so from us, but never ever anywhere in the rest of the billions of miles of our solar system and everywhere else in between here and wherever they came from (in addition to their conveniently never appearing within clear view of regular citizens' phones or cameras and neve…

Post by anotherman554 » Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 7:41 PM UTC

uhtred wrote: post #266

ceejayoz wrote: post #250

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> It does seem odd that people would put their reputation on the line by making up a story about seeing a UFO. Why does this seem odd? People embellish or make shit up all the time. Trump loved to tell transparently goofy "sir" stories ( https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/16/politics/sir-trump-telltale-w... ). "But no genre of Trump story is more reliably sir-heavy than his collection of suspiciously similar tales about mac…

Trump is Trump, I wouldn't use him as an example personally. The guy who wrote this article in the Boston Globe is "a professor of philosophy and director of the Hong Kierkegaard Library at St. Olaf College" - seems like it wouldn't be worth him making this up. And he doesn't describe seeing distant lights in the sky, but a flying saucer hovering over him and aiming a light on him- what could he be misidentifying?

Post by godelski » Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 7:43 PM UTC

mcpackieh wrote: post #282

akiselev wrote: post #216

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Counter-example: the obsolete space telescopes NRO donated to NASA in 2012 were better than what NASA had despite being nearly two decades old by that point. > An unnamed space analyst stated that the instruments may be a part of the KH-11 Kennen line of satellites which have been launched since 1976, but which have now been largely superseded by newer telescopes with wider fields of view than the KH-11. The analyst…

Those mirrors aren't exotic technology. They're undoubtedly very expensive and difficult to produce but at the end of the day they're as mundane as any other first surface mirror. They don't evidence the government having some sort of new paradigm of technology kept secret, like antigravity instead of normal airplanes or something like that.

Post by avar » Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 7:44 PM UTC

Seattle3503 wrote: post #269

nathancahill wrote: post #229

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Absolutely the case. For example, the military requires all commercial satellite imagery to be scaled to 25 cm resolution (up until 2014 it was limited to 50 cm). The true resolution is classified.

Surely it isn't the military that requires this? I couldn't find anything on a 25 cm limit, but I don't the military is a regulatory agency.

Post by theptip » Wed, Jun 28, 2023, 7:44 PM UTC

anon84873628 wrote: post #290

theptip wrote: post #215

This is a push from Congress to force programs into the open that are secretly capturing Russian/Chinese UAVs right? Folks on the committees are angry that China is trolling US Navy vessels with UAVs and this isn’t being publicized. The “non-earth” origin is the smokescreen, “exotic” covers foreign secret research projects? Something a bit convoluted like this is orders of magnitude more probable in my world model. (…

Seems odd and counterproductive to include the "non-earth" and "exotic" language at all then. Why not refer to all "non-domestic aerospace material" instead? A group who provably knows they have Chinese hardware would be much harder to prosecute under the current language.