And there is still no physical evidence of them. These UFOs must be made of pure dark matter.
US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs
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Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs
#182> would immediately halt funding for any secret government or contractor efforts to retrieve and reverse-engineer craft of “non-earth” or “exotic” origin. If that were going on (and I'm skeptical) why would you want to stop it? > Funding would also be cut for “the development of propulsion technology, or aerospace craft that uses propulsion technology, systems, or subsystems, that is based on or derived from or inspi…
Because you are being paid (or blackmailed) by the aliens.
Or because you don’t believe they exist, and think that “classified program to recover extraterrestrial craft and reverse engineer its technology” is used as itself a cover for outright corruption.
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#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
That “government employee doesn’t get paid enough to attract talent” trope has to die. I work with many government employees that are not beholden to the government pay scales and get special exemptions to be compensated “at market rates.” You’d be surprised how many tech employees inside government clear $750k
They typical pattern is they work for one of the government contractors L3 (now L3Harris), Northrop Grumman, etc. Of course it's a revolving door as well. > You’d be surprised how many tech employees inside government clear $750k That does sound a little high. But it seems you have more recent info than I do.
Yes I'm a bit skeptical of the parent's numbers, but if true, I imagine it's very much the exception, not the norm. Technical employees at the contractors did not do much better than the price ranges posted for government job boards (even distinguished/principal engineers capped out at what is probably around $300-350k today after inflation) except in management positions, in my experience. All the most talented engineers I knew were gone within a few years.
Not to mention the red-taped filled work environment does not exactly encourage innovation.
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#184I’m not saying that I buy into these narratives, but in the interest of curiosity and for sake of argument… Let’s say that there are real ET craft, and let’s say that the US government has indeed been retrieving and studying them for decades. If such analysis unlocks technology breakthroughs of the kind that would solve say, energy problems, the government now has the problem of sitting on secrets that it has no lega…
It's possible as well that the technology used in such a device would be entirely indecipherable to us due to not just being more advanced, but due to being on the other side of a technological 'leap' that we're nowhere near making ourselves. If you gave a broken iPad to the greatest minds of the mid-19th century and they expended all the resources at the world's disposal to study it, it's likely that they wouldn't learn anything about it at all, and it wouldn't advance technology a bit, at least not for a hundred years or so.
If there's anything to this (and I don't really think there is), it's entirely possible that if the government is forced to reveal it, they're going to say, "We've had this thing since 1946, we've spent billions of dollars researching it, and all we can figure out is it's made of some sort of titanium-osmium metal foam that appears to be completely undifferentiated with no structures or power sources at all, but we know it used to work because we shot it down after it vaporized a Jeep".
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
> There is essentially no secrecy. There is secrecy, which is why the countries that haven’t found a shortcut around it (as in the nuclear arms race between Argentina and Brazil) have a harder road than those that do (like South Africa via Israel). > Research the Nth Country Experiment The Nth Country Experiment focused on paper design of a device, which, while a requirement to getting to functional nuclear weapons,…
> nuclear arms race between Argentina and Brazil Yeah, lol, the what now? Anyway, Brazil has a working uranium enrichment facility, with public numbers, and as efficient as any modern one (what is way more efficient than anything from the time nuclear bombs were created). What kind of secrecy are you stating that is stopping Brazil?
> Yeah, lol, the what now?
https://www.google.com/search?q=argentina%20brazil%20nuclear...
Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs
#186I’m not saying that I buy into these narratives, but in the interest of curiosity and for sake of argument… Let’s say that there are real ET craft, and let’s say that the US government has indeed been retrieving and studying them for decades. If such analysis unlocks technology breakthroughs of the kind that would solve say, energy problems, the government now has the problem of sitting on secrets that it has no lega…
Why wouldn't the government just announce that the new tech was created in any of 1000 labs? I am sure there is a scientist somewhere willing to take credit can get a nobel prize. Or just say it was discovered by Darpa, don't ask questions but here is how it works?
>Why wouldn't the government just announce that the new tech was created in any of 1000 labs?
Because the type of exotic field propulsion these things are using is so far beyond the current state of the art it wouldn't be remotely plausible.
It would be like going from vacuum tubes to 3nm EUV in a single step, no one would believe you.
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#187I have heard these types of claims many times. The people making them seem more credible at first glance this time, but I am firmly in the camp of being deeply skeptical until I see concrete proof presented. That being said, I don’t completely discount the possibility. One answer to the Fermi paradox is that there isn’t one, and I can think of many reasons multiple governments would try to keep stuff like this secret…
The thing that bothers me is they supposedly have 12 or more craft that have crashed. Aliens have super sophisticated tech that is hardy enough to travel millions of light years through space but it crashes so easy on earth? What caused them to crash? I'd like to believe, and I think 1 or 2 might be reasonable but the claim is 12, which doesn't account for ships obtained by other nations as Grusch said I'd happening.…
If this were actually true, I'd guess one of:
(1) The probes, like ours, are not designed to return and have a limited life span. Maybe they just gather and transmit data until their power source runs out or something on them breaks and they crash.
(2) Maybe there are thousands of probes or even more (even from multiple sources!) and only a small percentage of them crash. Of course one would assume we'd be seeing them more often if this were true.
(3) We shot them down. That's not impossible, especially if they are just probes and were not designed to deal with something intelligent intentionally flinging high velocity chunks of metal at them.
The last could easily occur if we mistook them for e.g. Soviet/Russian or Chinese surveillance craft and they repeatedly refused to respond to orders to withdraw.
Why would someone send probes here? This planet has been broadcasting "possible biosphere right here!" for at least hundreds of millions of years to anyone capable of doing spectroscopy on the light it reflects. You wouldn't be able to see detail from another star but you could determine things like atmospheric makeup and conclude that there is very likely to be something interesting here. You'd see a ton of oxygen (which is hard to explain abiotically), water vapor, traces of hydrocarbons, and possibly evidence of sunlight being captured by something complex (photosynthesis) vs just reflecting off rocks or ice. Lastly the planet has a large moon and is not tide locked to its star, both characteristics that increase the odds of something complex evolving here (as far as we know).
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#188All the people here claiming new types of drones and secret programs dating back decades have clearly never worked in defense. Most of the US military, the best funded in the world, is decades behind the private sector on computing technology -- it's honestly unthinkable to me that their propulsion technology would be decades (or centuries) ahead. The best engineers and scientists have taken Silicon Valley jobs payin…
> Most of the US military, the best funded in the world, is decades behind the private sector on computing technology -- it's honestly unthinkable to me that their propulsion technology would be decades (or centuries) ahead
What makes you qualified to say this? Do you have top secret military clearance?
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
And yet we don’t know everything, so shooting anything not currently explainable down as implausible is even less plausibly right! Not to mention that there’s tons of really interesting explanations grounded in science that could explain either scenario.
Just because it's plausible doesn't make it any less science fiction if we have no evidence it currently exists. We're right back to faeries, writing fiction without proof that anything super/para-normal has even occurred.
We're not co-authoring a scientific paper, we're chatting about potential explanations for a variety of disparate but strange reports from various branches of the govt about a variety of recent evidence on UFOs. There's multiple videos released, there's a variety of reports from people who had either first or second hand knowledge. The people are at least somewhat credible (much more than in the past). That's all. Your strong need to gatekeep the conversation is odd, I'm not even making any strong claim just throwing out far-out implausible options, acknowledging them as such. It shouldn't be hard to have informal conversation exploring new possibilities without a scientist pre-approving the topic. It's just an internet forum discussion thread on a weird UFO story.
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#190If they're lying, they have a moral obligation to declassify everything they know. If they're telling the truth, they have a moral obligation to declassify everything they know. Official secrecy is fundamentally incompatible with the needs of an informed public capable of voting intelligently within a democratic republic.
Should they also disclose the location of all the nuclear missile silos in the US? I'm generally in agreement with a transparent government, but there must be some limits.
>Should they also disclose the location of all the nuclear missile silos in the US?
Yes. If the deterrent/protection factor of our nuclear weapons platforms are nullified by their location being exposed, then they are already useless.