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US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by waihtis »

7thaccount wrote: post #40
waihtis wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a non-American, let me ask you if you really think all the other high level American politicians are clean? If not, would you be better positioned to scrutinize the current political system as inherently flawed instead of barking at current political candidate X or Y?

That's a good point other than the fact that it sounds like you're saying he doesn't need to be held accountable in a court of law for his numerous crimes. No politician should be exempt from the law.

No, actually I want more accountability as ultimately the money politicians launder into their own pockets directly or indirectly comes from a power vested by citizens. Useful idiots who point fingers at one edge of the political spectrum are smokescreening the bigger issue.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by nwienert »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #87
nwienert wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many of the best physicists I guess argue for fairies as well. In the context of many US government military officers and senators confirming evidence of fairy like vehicles.

No, at best they say they see stuff they can't identify. Throughout all this there are claims that someone somewhere has real evidence but it never materializes. You're taking that credible observational claim and running with it until you end up with alternate dimension creatures. I'm just saying - if we're going to make a bunch of unsubstantiated sci-fi claims fairies seem just as likely.

I didn’t argue for it or make any claim, you’re way distorting what I said which is just that shooting down the simplest form of alien arguments doesn’t shoot them all down, and offered two.

The many-worlds quantum interpretations have many curious advocates within physics.

There are now multiple senators and high level military officers confirming this explicitly as well, so that’s also wrong on your part.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by dragonwriter »

kasey_junk wrote: post #88
eganist wrote: post #54

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> We have had nuclear secrecy for nearly 80 years. In that time, nuclear weapons have proliferated to nine countries. North Korea has them, for God's sake Nine countries as opposed to...

It’s not secrecy that has prevented proliferation, it’s carrots and sticks that has. Treaties, sanctions etc. Not to mention the cost of a nuclear program.

> It’s not secrecy that has prevented proliferation, it’s carrots and sticks that has.

Secrecy increases the cost, so it is, in effect, part of the “stick” end of the carrots and sticks. If there hadn’t been secrecy, would the return to sanity that stopped the South American nuclear arms race been too late? Secrecy should not be dismissed.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

nwienert wrote: post #92
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, at best they say they see stuff they can't identify. Throughout all this there are claims that someone somewhere has real evidence but it never materializes. You're taking that credible observational claim and running with it until you end up with alternate dimension creatures. I'm just saying - if we're going to make a bunch of unsubstantiated sci-fi claims fairies seem just as likely.

I didn’t argue for it or make any claim, you’re way distorting what I said which is just that shooting down the simplest form of alien arguments doesn’t shoot them all down, and offered two. The many-worlds quantum interpretations have many curious advocates within physics. There are now multiple senators and high level military officers confirming this explicitly as well, so that’s also wrong on your part.

You offered science fiction and act like that makes it more plausible when the table stakes of "was what was observed outside of the realm of normal?" haven't even been satisfied. I think it's faeries. We're at an impasse.

Multiple senators and high level military officers are bringing in material evidence?

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by mc32 »

Stranger43 wrote: post #80
jwestbury wrote: post #68

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"Foreign" is quite common in intelligence contexts, though, and "alien" is not.

The US immigration services uses the term Alien, and the US State Department have historically used both. Given how byzantine the US military industrial complex's paperwork and pretend regulation is someone might have been relying on legislation or paperwork predating the change in word usage, and that that influenced the naming of some program somewhere in the secretive world. It's also worth noting that such a misc…

Moreover, when it comes to corps/biz incorporation domestic is in-state, foreign is out of state, and alien is international. presumably if one day one could charter a corporation at an office on Mars it would be extraterrestrial.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by tzs »

One theory that would explain this pretty much perfectly is that Marco Rubio is an alien operating here under cover to get the government to stop trying to reverse engineer some technology that his people accidentally lost here.

I always thought there was something a bit off about Rubio...

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by nwienert »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #94
nwienert wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn’t argue for it or make any claim, you’re way distorting what I said which is just that shooting down the simplest form of alien arguments doesn’t shoot them all down, and offered two. The many-worlds quantum interpretations have many curious advocates within physics. There are now multiple senators and high level military officers confirming this explicitly as well, so that’s also wrong on your part.

You offered science fiction and act like that makes it more plausible when the table stakes of "was what was observed outside of the realm of normal?" haven't even been satisfied. I think it's faeries. We're at an impasse. Multiple senators and high level military officers are bringing in material evidence?

One of my scenarios was inter dimensional entities. The other was just sufficiently advanced tech. It’s funny you ad hominem the first one and ignore the second.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

nwienert wrote: post #97
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You offered science fiction and act like that makes it more plausible when the table stakes of "was what was observed outside of the realm of normal?" haven't even been satisfied. I think it's faeries. We're at an impasse. Multiple senators and high level military officers are bringing in material evidence?

One of my scenarios was inter dimensional entities. The other was just sufficiently advanced tech. It’s funny you ad hominem the first one and ignore the second.

Well, because imaging sufficiently advanced tech without evidence that it exists or is even plausible is literally science fiction.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by nwienert »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #98
nwienert wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of my scenarios was inter dimensional entities. The other was just sufficiently advanced tech. It’s funny you ad hominem the first one and ignore the second.

Well, because imaging sufficiently advanced tech without evidence that it exists or is even plausible is literally science fiction.

And yet we don’t know everything, so shooting anything not currently explainable down as implausible is even less plausibly right!

Not to mention that there’s tons of really interesting explanations grounded in science that could explain either scenario.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

nwienert wrote: post #99
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, because imaging sufficiently advanced tech without evidence that it exists or is even plausible is literally science fiction.

And yet we don’t know everything, so shooting anything not currently explainable down as implausible is even less plausibly right! Not to mention that there’s tons of really interesting explanations grounded in science that could explain either scenario.

Just because it's plausible doesn't make it any less science fiction if we have no evidence it currently exists. We're right back to faeries, writing fiction without proof that anything super/para-normal has even occurred.
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