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US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by haswell »

justinclift wrote: post #75
haswell wrote: post #63

I’m not saying that I buy into these narratives, but in the interest of curiosity and for sake of argument… Let’s say that there are real ET craft, and let’s say that the US government has indeed been retrieving and studying them for decades. If such analysis unlocks technology breakthroughs of the kind that would solve say, energy problems, the government now has the problem of sitting on secrets that it has no lega…

> no legal pathway to introduce to the public So, DARPA doesn't exist, and it can't put out calls for things it'd like developed in certain areas? /s I mean, it doesn't really take much thinking at all to figure out ways to introduce "future generation" technology that's not going to raise many eyebrows.

I think that would all depend on how advanced this hypothetical tech is, and the timeframe in which someone wants it known to the public. DARPA may not provide enough cover for sufficiently advanced discoveries that cannot be explained without raising bigger questions.

It could also be a misinformation campaign meant for adversaries to make it appear that these hypothetical discoveries are backed by a source that may potentially yield more.

Beyond this, perhaps we now have evidence that adversaries reverse engineering the same tech are ahead of us, and enlisting the broader scientific community is now the primary goal.

And again, I’m not saying these are likely explanations. But in the unlikely event that we’re really talking about alien tech, they seem plausible.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by dragonwriter »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #33
shiftpgdn wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The president's son allegedly committed quite a few crimes, including offering access to his father (The US President) for money. He has been charged for some of these crimes recently.

He was charged with not paying taxes and felony gun possession and plead guilty to the tax charges (the felony will go to trial later). I've read nothing about access for money. But I don't think anyone is ignoring it. Everyone is aware Hunter has had a troubled life and made bad choices. Everyone I've spoken to about this, even the left leaning, is of the opinion that if he broke the law he should face punishment. N…

> and felony gun possession and plead guilty to the tax charges (the felony will go to trial later).

He has also agreed to enter pre-trial diversion program related to the gun charges.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by nwienert »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #52
nwienert wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aliens that are alternate dimensional / advanced technologically could control the release of their existence through various means, while still having some incentive to reveal themselves in stages that seem plausible to us. Imagining them only as meat-sacks-from-another-rock is lacking imagination.

But at this point you're also arguing for the existence of fairies.

Many of the best physicists I guess argue for fairies as well. In the context of many US government military officers and senators confirming evidence of fairy like vehicles.

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Post by nwienert »

bbor wrote: post #50
nwienert wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aliens that are alternate dimensional / advanced technologically could control the release of their existence through various means, while still having some incentive to reveal themselves in stages that seem plausible to us. Imagining them only as meat-sacks-from-another-rock is lacking imagination.

And you might be the only truly conscious mind in a vast alien simulation. I don’t think just because something is possible it becomes worth considering - given our epistemological failings and the impossibility of induction, basically anything is possible… In other words: I find the idea that aliens might be mind-controlling the US congress to slowly reveal their presence for the first time ever seems ridiculous. Pe…

It definitely would have seemed ridiculous to me before I took a heroic dose of psychedelics. Now, it seems ridiculous to rule it out.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by haswell »

LatteLazy wrote: post #78
haswell wrote: post #63

I’m not saying that I buy into these narratives, but in the interest of curiosity and for sake of argument… Let’s say that there are real ET craft, and let’s say that the US government has indeed been retrieving and studying them for decades. If such analysis unlocks technology breakthroughs of the kind that would solve say, energy problems, the government now has the problem of sitting on secrets that it has no lega…

Why wouldn't the government just announce that the new tech was created in any of 1000 labs? I am sure there is a scientist somewhere willing to take credit can get a nobel prize. Or just say it was discovered by Darpa, don't ask questions but here is how it works?

This was my first thought as well, and I think there are a number of possible reasons:

- The tech is so far beyond our own that it would be unreasonable to claim it was developed in secret labs within plausible timeframes

- They know it exists, but don’t know how it works, and there are growing concerns about adversaries beating us to that understanding

- They believe adversaries have already figured things out or have surpassed our progress, and there is growing urgency to drum up public support for another space race type of research project

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Post by kodah »

bbor wrote: post #31
kodah wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America is hardly special in their belief in UFOs: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_reported_UFO_sightin... Generally UFO reportings increased with astronomy, radar, and surveillance technology development. Of which, the US has a lot of all three, which probably means we have a sufficiently complex system that we can notice anomalies but not sufficiently complex enough to identify them. You could've googled th…

They did end their comment with a question mark - no need to get snippy :)

I've come across a number of low effort commentary recently that's easily googlable where folks themselves are inappropriate. In this case, there's amerocentricism heavily implied when that's obviously not the case. I think maybe what this suggests is that HN really isn't the place for me at the moment.

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

nwienert wrote: post #83
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But at this point you're also arguing for the existence of fairies.

Many of the best physicists I guess argue for fairies as well. In the context of many US government military officers and senators confirming evidence of fairy like vehicles.

No, at best they say they see stuff they can't identify. Throughout all this there are claims that someone somewhere has real evidence but it never materializes. You're taking that credible observational claim and running with it until you end up with alternate dimension creatures. I'm just saying - if we're going to make a bunch of unsubstantiated sci-fi claims fairies seem just as likely.

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Post by kasey_junk »

eganist wrote: post #54
taraharris wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Official secrecy clearly failed to stop the very scenario you're talking about! We have had nuclear secrecy for nearly 80 years. In that time, nuclear weapons have proliferated to nine countries. North Korea has them, for God's sake. Nuclear weapons are simply a function of having a large enough industrial base to support their development. The "secret sauce" is officially secret, but it isn't actually secret.

> We have had nuclear secrecy for nearly 80 years. In that time, nuclear weapons have proliferated to nine countries. North Korea has them, for God's sake Nine countries as opposed to...

It’s not secrecy that has prevented proliferation, it’s carrots and sticks that has.

Treaties, sanctions etc. Not to mention the cost of a nuclear program.

Re: US Congress doubles down on claims of illegal UFO retrieval programs

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Post by gremlinsinc »

api wrote: post #3

I have heard these types of claims many times. The people making them seem more credible at first glance this time, but I am firmly in the camp of being deeply skeptical until I see concrete proof presented. That being said, I don’t completely discount the possibility. One answer to the Fermi paradox is that there isn’t one, and I can think of many reasons multiple governments would try to keep stuff like this secret…

The thing that bothers me is they supposedly have 12 or more craft that have crashed.

Aliens have super sophisticated tech that is hardy enough to travel millions of light years through space but it crashes so easy on earth? What caused them to crash?

I'd like to believe, and I think 1 or 2 might be reasonable but the claim is 12, which doesn't account for ships obtained by other nations as Grusch said I'd happening.

I still believe it's possible, and hope it is, however something feels staged about this, maybe to get more money for certain agencies, or some other motive.

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