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Re: Trinity Desktop Environment – a modern KDE3 fork

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Gnome 3 is not too well liked, but I think it looks absolutely great and has probably the best ergonomics out of any desktop I have used (including osx.. seriously, what’s up with their window management?!)

For me, it has the worst ergonomics of any desktop I've used. Since I asked somebody else to be specific, I feel that I should be specific. The horizontal panel across the top of the screen is an egregious waste of space, especially on modern widescreen displays where vertical pixels are valuable. A graphical task switcher was one of the most substantial UI improvements in Windows 95. GNOME banishers this to usually…

Of course many of these things are subjective, and likely post-facto reasoned by people, because we get very fiery over these things, but here are some of my “rebuttals”:

> The horizontal panel across the top of the screen is an egregious waste of space, especially on modern widescreen displays where vertical pixels are valuable.

OSX has a similar toolbar, windows has a much bigger one at the bottom. It is valuable space, but I think it is well-used, will come back to it later.

> A graphical task switcher was one of the most substantial UI improvements in Windows 95. GNOME banishers this to usually hidden, minor feature. That's bad design. GNOME is actively hostile to beginners and less proficient users.

It is available by a single flick of the mouse (Fitt’s law: the corner is basically infinite sized) for beginners/when you are constrained to mouse/(minor point but even on touchscreen). For power users there is the super key, and for laptop users the swipe up with 3 fingers in a smooth motion is easily the best way to get to the activities tab. Besides the “task switcher” at the bottom, I personally am much quicker to discern which application I want to switch to based on how I expect it to look, vs an icon. Windows didn’t add a popup of how it looks for no reason to their task switcher.

> keyboard

It is quite customizable (if nothing else, by plugins), but I think it is unfair to take it as a negative that gnome2 hotkeys no longer work. It is quite clearly not an incremental change from that, for that go with Mate.

> titlebar

I am undecided on whether it’s a good thing or not. Your previously mentioned vertical space problem is literally the reasoning behind that, so it is not made on a whim. Otherwise, I have never really rolled up a window for real use, besides playing with animations back in the compiz days. I don’t find it useful. Minimization is also an interesting question - there could definitely be improvements here (maybe the sketch area of i3 and alia be a better option?), but it is absolutely usable. I usually just make multiple desktops and group activity-relevant windows on a same one.

> I do not normally store files on my desktop, except the temporary holding place, but I do use it as a convenient place to store convenient shortcuts to my normal working folders. It's my computer, and therefore I get to choose where to store things. It is not the position of the desktop designers to decide that I cannot store things on the desktop.

Feel free to reenable that with a single extension.

> file manager

You can use any file manager, it should not be a criticism of the Gnome DE, just because it runs under the same project. The same is true for your criticism of GTK.

Re: Trinity Desktop Environment – a modern KDE3 fork

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This comment makes me think you haven't used a modern Linux DE in a while. TDE is not, by design, one. IMHO GNOME looks more modern and refreshing (and definitely more innovative) than macOS or Windows. Sure, its UX is debatable, but no one can deny Microsoft and Apple haven't been plucking ideas from GNOME since 3.0 came out (given that I find GNOME 3 stupid, i think this is a bad thing).

but no one can deny Microsoft and Apple haven't been plucking ideas from GNOME since 3.0 came out What ideas has Apple been plucking from GNOME 3? (Also, double negations.)

Gnome 3 largely brought the widgets in titlebar look to desktop which has since been adopted as a standard piece of OS X design.

Re: Trinity Desktop Environment – a modern KDE3 fork

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The linked DE is specifically a fork of a DE from 2002[0], so that would be why it looks like a DE from the 2000s. I imagine anyone wanting to use something like this has a fair bit of nostalgia for that style. KDE Plasma[1] is the more modern-looking solution, but the aim of the DE is to do one thing well: provide a solid desktop environment. The stock styles look okay but can be customized in almost any way you lik…

The problem I have with plasma is that it's easily configurable but not easily extensible. I have tried multiple times to write a widget to run on the panel, but QML is so different from traditional Qt that I haven't been able to make sense of it yet.

Why can't I just write I widget in PyQt and have it run without learning something completely new?

Re: Trinity Desktop Environment – a modern KDE3 fork

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Their maintained fork of Amarok 1.x really makes it worthwhile for me. Also, dcop is probably the best GUI automation tool I’ve used.

Amarok was the first app in Linux that was better than the Windows counterpart. My non-technical friends would ask how could they use it. It was the killer app for the Linux Desktop at the time. > Also, dcop is probably the best GUI automation tool I’ve used. Everytime I have to use dbus from the CLI I think to myself, dcop died for this?! To me the best GUI automation tool (in Linux at least) was Kommander, another…

The first few years after KDE4 came out I spent a lot of time on getting Amarok to work on my system. Such an amazing music player. It got harder, and eventually I switched to spotify too. (And even though you have nearly every piece of music at your fingertips, it still pales in comparison to what you could do with Amarok)

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> Why does it seem basically impossible for a Linux desktop environment to not look like it’s frozen in time from the early 2000s in terms of sharpness/polish/slickness?

Have you seen modern GNOME 44 or KDE 5? This is just patently false.

Re: Trinity Desktop Environment – a modern KDE3 fork

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This comment makes me think you haven't used a modern Linux DE in a while. TDE is not, by design, one. IMHO GNOME looks more modern and refreshing (and definitely more innovative) than macOS or Windows. Sure, its UX is debatable, but no one can deny Microsoft and Apple haven't been plucking ideas from GNOME since 3.0 came out (given that I find GNOME 3 stupid, i think this is a bad thing).

> IMHO GNOME looks more modern and refreshing (and definitely more innovative) than macOS or Windows

Agreed, I prefer GNOME to anything else.

Re: Trinity Desktop Environment – a modern KDE3 fork

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> Why does it seem basically impossible for a Linux desktop environment to not look like it’s frozen in time from the early 2000s in terms of sharpness/polish/slickness?

I mean, whatever you think about modern linux desktops, but this comment seems a bit strange here, as this appears this is a project with the exact goal of delivering an experience of an early 2000s Desktop that some people seem to like.

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