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Ford to lay off workers as it focuses on electric vehicles

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Re: Ford to lay off workers as it focuses on electric vehicles

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You seriously don't change the oil?

I change out my Honda's oil once a year (10k miles per year), so what, $60? Heh, in my case, I would go bankrupt owning a EV because of tires. My god roads are so fucking bad in NYS that I replaced 3 tires this year alone due to massive gashes in the sidewalls. EVs being so fucking overweight do not have cheap tires, RIP.

also in my experience tesla has terrible inside edge tire wear.

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There’s no oil to change. It doesn’t have a combustion engine.

Are you even reading what I'm replying to? > how much maintenance does a honda ice car really require? Most of them run flawlessly for years and years, almost without opening the hood at all.

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Re: Ford to lay off workers as it focuses on electric vehicles

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There’s no oil to change. It doesn’t have a combustion engine.

Are you even reading what I'm replying to? > how much maintenance does a honda ice car really require? Most of them run flawlessly for years and years, almost without opening the hood at all.

My bad

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> You already have a garage that can deliver 120VAC at 15A to your car There are a lot of assumptions packed into this dismissal of concerns about charging availability.

There’s more people with a garage and a power outlet than there are people with a fuel bowser in their garage…

Somewhere around a third of the country rents.

Of those that are homeowners, only a subset will both have a garage and enough bays to fit all the vehicles they own.

Does a substantial portion of the population have easyish access to charging at home? Sure.

Is it so universal that just hand waving concerns about accessibility to charging is reasonable? Not even close.

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In my circles, dealers would always be the absolute last resort option for having any maintenance done due to their reputation of inflating prices and doing crappy work. Not sure if EV manufacturers are attempting to force consumers to have all their work done by dealers. If so, I’ll keep waiting.

In my experience, both EVs and (many/most) smaller volume high efficiency vehicles are not easy for 3rd parties to do service on. An inline-6/V6/V8 is relatively straightforward and there are great 3rd party mechanics everywhere. Going to a dealer for these kinds of vehicles is just asking to get ripped off. When you get into EVs, or even complex fuel efficient 4-cylinders, the complexity and proprietary nature of ma…

My vehicles are an '03, '04 and '68 bronco and I really couldn't be happier with them. Maintenance is simple and if I'm too busy to do something myself, I can get it done almost anywhere for pretty cheap. I'm not going to start being some dealer/mfrs bitch until I have literally no other options, which is likely to be never in my lifetime.

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I think on a Tesla you should use your brakes once a month or so, just so they don’t get rusty. If you live in a place where they salt the roads in the winter, you need to clean and lube your breaks once a year.

Using the brakes is what removes rust from them. The friction of the brake pads rubs off the surface oxidation. I would expect Teslas to have very rusty brake rotors unless they have something like BMW's brake drying to cycle the brakes regularly to remove rust. I have no idea what it means to "lube" brakes, I guess you mean where the calipers mount? I have never heard of that being a maintenance item. But please do…

I just ready their maintenance page about brakes, if you live in a place that salts the roads, you need to check (clean?) and lube them every year. I don’t live in a place that uses salt, and I have a BMW anyways. And yes, they suggest to use the brakes sometimes to get the rust off.

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> Energy costs will wind up going up as demand on the grid strains our infrastructure's ability to supply enough electricity as most folks switches over to EVs. Be careful to not think inside a bubble. There are a LOT of cars on the road that are over 20 years old. ICE cars being bought today are going to be on the road 20+ years from now. It's going to be a long time before the majority of cars sold are electric, an…

Is it even most ev owners that are on 240V? We’ve been on a normal 120V 15 amp the entire time we’ve had one, and it’s been fine, because it sits there for 14-16 hours most days. We actually have a Tesla wall charger just sitting on the ground, never installed, because we haven’t really needed it.

> Is it even most ev owners that are on 240V?

I haven't done any research on this, but I want to say yes.

120V 15 amp would not have been enough to maintain my 60-mile (round trip) commute when I got my Model 3. I'd leave home at around 9 AM, get home at around 7 PM. Giving me about 14 hours to charge. That 14 hours would only give ~45 miles of charge, less in the winter.

Re: Ford to lay off workers as it focuses on electric vehicles

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Ford is bleeding to death on purpose so they can get more tax payer EV subsidies https://youtu.be/5MZeTeqdsTw

I wouldn't say it's on purpose. Ford has always been a marginal (financially) automaker, and while the US gov is providing substantial support (>$10B) via battery and vehicle subsidies, it will be a painful transition based on the financials and balance sheet. Too much financial and institutional debt considering the swiftness at which they must transform. Tesla has a lot of room in their margin (and also generous su…

https://mishtalk.com/economics/ford-to-layoff-at-least-1000-...

Re: Ford to lay off workers as it focuses on electric vehicles

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electric motors are dead simple. There isn't much to improve. But the entire system of the vehicle, and the way we use vehicles, and the way those form factors affect society and people's lives are very, very complex. So basically, the shift in technology is going to enable changes and improvements in all of those ways. Also, look at what Tesla, Lucid, and even Volkswagen have been able to achieve in terms of innovat…

> But the entire system of the vehicle, and the way we use vehicles, and the way those form factors affect society and people's lives are very, very complex. But that's no different from combustion cars. What matters is that the motor (by far the most complex part of a combustion car) is now a simple part in an electric car. The rest stays about the same in terms of complexity. So the overall complexity has gone down…

But that's no different from combustion cars.

False. EVs enable tunnels with far less ventilation. Electric motors enable form factors which would be impractical with an ICE engine.

Say a combustion car had 100 complexity units, of which the motor has 50, the rest has also 50.

You're still limiting your thinking to the motive function of a single car. That's not the entirety of what I'm discussing here.

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