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JP Morgan fined by SEC for deleting email records

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Re: JP Morgan fined by SEC for deleting email records

#41
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If an individual does that, they get held in contempt. But with a corporation all they can do is fine, so it just becomes a cost of business :(

Getting held in contempt of court is usually punished with a fine for individuals as well, so how is that different?

Getting thrown in jail for contempt of court is pretty routine for individuals.

Re: JP Morgan fined by SEC for deleting email records

#42
post #26

I’ve made this kind of accident before. Within my first 6 months there was a massive internal investigation of someone entering the building without authorization, as they had made their own keycard. I had been asked to analyze a machine’s event log to see what happened, and on a Teams meeting with a dozen people proceeded to right click the event log and mistakenly hit clear, unconsciously accepting the dialogue box…

Out of curiosity, were you also the one who made the keycard?

Re: JP Morgan fined by SEC for deleting email records

#44
post #30

> to a project where the company aimed to delete from its systems any older communications and documents that were no longer required to be retained. Literally no reason to do this but for this precise goal.

I was the records retention lead for a bank for a few years. Deletion projects are also conducted to reduce storage costs, but yes, ensuring that you’re not retaining unnecessary information that you could be subpoenaed on is a large factor as well.

Re: JP Morgan fined by SEC for deleting email records

#46
If it weren't so depressing it'd be incredibly hilarious how blatant and open the corruption here is, as if anyone on planet earth is gonna buy this BS story.

The fines for these types of accidents should be starting with the letter B and ending with illions, lets see how often these types of mistakes happen in the future afterwards.

Re: JP Morgan fined by SEC for deleting email records

#47
post #2

I believe them

This, but unironically. When a law requires data to be retained for X time, risk-averse companies interpret this as an instruction to immediately delete said data as soon as time X passes, and use automated tools to this end. Sadly, these tools tend to be ad-hoc software written and maintained by internal teams, and thus about as buggy as you'd expect. I've worked in such places, and - in addition to all the other is…

I also meant it unironically, btw. My intuition said the same thing

Re: JP Morgan fined by SEC for deleting email records

#48

Maybe Americans should be asking for the NSA's support in protecting the rights and freedoms of their country, and give Congress the backup they definitely made of all of JP Morgans data .. EDIT: its amazing - not a mention of the fact that JPMorgan is under investigation for its relationship with Epstein ..

For sure. This is bad faith 101 from JPMC, and I don't really think they'll care if they get a slap on the wrist. 4 million dollar fine IIRC. The government's agencies that have this data should release it to the American public as a public service.

JMPC is no longer under investigation for Epstein - they paid a fine and that's that, sadly. Mr. Dimon doesn't want to testify again, because there's a high chance the Feds knew he was lying when he claimed in his first testimony that he had never heard of the guy and then claimed that he had no idea what Epstein was doing. Which if you follow the people involved, you know was a bold-faced lie. Yet JMPC will walk away unbothered, because they are untouchable.

Re: JP Morgan fined by SEC for deleting email records

#49
post #19
post #8

A $4 million fine? That's so much cheaper than the cost of archiving!

It would be ironic if amongst the messages deleted was "Is $4m less than what we'd be fined for that other thing we did?"

This attitude is actually common place in the industry. Can we make more profit than the fine for market abuse?

Re: JP Morgan fined by SEC for deleting email records

#50
post #40

IANAL but in many countries the judge might draw adverse inference and effectively assume what was in that evidence. That wouldn't be in the deleters interest. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adverse_inference

The SEC is not in the justice business. It is a puppet of the banks themselves. A $4M fine is NOTHING for a company netting $12.62B a QUARTER.

The $4M is a slap on the wrist, but if there's evidence that it was done on purpose, and the deleted data is evidence for a bigger case, they'd be in much bigger trouble still.

But, innocent until proven guilty; if there's no indication of any missing evidence, it'll stay at the failure to retain data fine.

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