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Ignoring boys' emotional needs fuels public health risks

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This would extend a prisoner’s punishment beyond their sentence. The goal of incarceration is to reform, not take revenge. That’s if all goes well and the system is not motivated by perverse incentives or overwhelmingly targeting a specific group of prisoners (like the poorer ones) with a deal they can’t really refuse.

> The goal of incarceration is to reform, not take revenge.

s/is/should be/

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It is not a father's job to be the person a child goes to for emotional support. A father is indeed supposed to pass down masculinity and how to manage it and how to become a socially functional and acceptable man. Mothers on the other hand are supposed to be the primary person that provides emotional support and care. But, the immediate community is supposed to provide that support as well. This is how human society…

This take is crazy. I hope you don't have, nor will have kids.

Fathers should absolutely be there for emotional support, especially for small kids.

Also, distant mothers are not a modern creation, there have always been distant mothers.

Re: Ignoring boys' emotional needs fuels public health risks

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OK, this is going to sound extremely controversial, but as a person who lived for many years in three different worlds:

1. The Western world (born/raised/educated in Canada)

2. The Arab world (lived for years in Jordan, have Muslim/Arab roots)

3. Eastern Europe (currently living in Ukraine for many years, now volunteering in the war)

My observation is that 1. has an overly effeminate culture and harmfully stifles masculinity, or the other extreme 2. has an overly masculine culture and harmfully stifles femininity, 3. celebrates both feminine and masculine qualities in a mostly healthy way, and is the most "balanced" of the places I have lived. The one problem I would say that is way too common here in Eastern Europe is absent/cheating dads, but that is balanced by a strong and independent feminine (not feminist!) expression.

For me it was a real awakening and a welcome cure to live in a place where men are men and women are women.

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What's interesting is that I recently watched The Red Pill Documentary. I recall when it was released that the director, Cassie Jaye a self professed feminist was pilloried absolutely everywhere for giving a voice to Mens Rights Activists. The actual documentary is quite milquetoast. What it is, is her engaging with the ideas around how in some ways men are disadvantaged in modern society. It's fascinating to me that…

That was not my experience. The message was bitterness, and there is a reason their lot is poorly perceived. Try /r/menslib for a healthier discussion that isn’t centred around blaming women for everything.

Warning, if you are a man with low self-esteem do not visit that sub.

Re: Ignoring boys' emotional needs fuels public health risks

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It is absolutely true that boys have been neglected. But the contempt of men is a recent phenomenon. Feminism has a great deal to do with it, demonizing masculinity by construing all men as brutes and promoting the false doctrine that men are unnecessary, that women are self-sufficient, that the patriarchy is some kind of evil oppressive thing. All of that is false. Men and women are complementary , which is to say t…

> There's a reason virtually every culture is patriarchal. It's because men are physically stronger than women. That's it. That's all it is.

I’d put higher aggression (and capability to act on such) into the mix as well.

From a long time ago, we were the aggressive hunters, warmongers, protectors of everything that “belonged” to us, including women and children.

To this day, we’ll often be the protectors (and usually aggressors) in a violent situation, for the reasons above.

Re: Ignoring boys' emotional needs fuels public health risks

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> People aren't having enough children. Every extra hurdle is going to reduce the number of people who end up parents. There's 8 billion of us. Reducing the number of (unfit, unwilling, unplanned) parents is a net positive.

If no one will have kids these 8 billion will go to zero in about 100 years.

That assumes there are no fit and willing parents.

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It isn’t meaningless. Those children are being told and showed repeatedly that their moms are their primary parents, and dads are an afterthought. Men are secondary parents in a lot of households, and it’s not okay. Both for dads themselves and their kids.

…and unfair to mothers, too!

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> New research shows that when fathers are present and emotionally invested in children’s lives, they are more likely to develop a stronger sense of self-worth and excel in everything from school to relationships. Regardless of the debate on how tough (or not) love should be, the absent fathers issue seems like something concrete and impactful that we should be trying to address.

Maybe, as a culture, we should emphasize MORE the health of the family, of the duty and honor it brings to raise kids and less on the "perfect" romantic relationships of the parents? Shouldn't we promote a less Hollywood-like picture of long lasting relationships? I have the feeling that we are trained too much to think that our "romance" and sex life should last forever. When - in reality - a good relationship trans…

It can be healthy for a family not to be together. Fetishizing stability and the nuclear family over happiness of the people in that family isn't necessarily a good solution to anything much.

Sure, a good relationship might not resemble the hollywood ideal very much, but "duty to the family" leads to misery for a lot of people, and kids don't grow up happy and well adjusted when mom and dad are very unhappy with their lives and each other.

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> that isn’t centred around blaming women for everything. Without clicking the link, I just know it's gonna be the patriarchy/masculinity, right?

Kind of? It’s a bit of everything, because the place fosters civil discussion. It’s a pleasamt place to talk it out, which is the whole point.

If it fosters civil discussion because everything is discussed through the same lens that you agree with, which is the exact same view point as 4000 other feminist subreddits, then I'm not sure how it would add anything.

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Well there already is eugenic like behavior going on. Partners select for money, tall and handsome. It's just not framed that way. End result is the same.

The media perpetuates certain ideals deemed desirable, the masses follow. You don't need a vegetarian artist somewhere in Europe spewing nonsense. You can still achieve the same thing. I would even go as far to say that modern day advertising and public relations borrowed a lot from Goebbels.

As much as I loathe advertising, I think this assessment is provably wrong. We're genetically driven to pick out mates most likely to produce fertile, healthy, and effective offspring. Even in relatively isolated tribes with 0 access to advertising of any sort, preferences like low waist-to-hip ratios are ubiquitous [1] (random study that also references a bunch of others - this is not a controversial statement). The reason is that low waist-to-hip ratios correlates with all sorts of health, fertility, and genetic strengths. So we are genetically attracted to such.

I think you could also make an argument in reverse here as well. An increasingly large chunk of Western advertising is actively seeking to push values like contravening said genetic proclivities, yet it seems to have had little to no impact on what people find attractive. That's even more telling as obesity is rapidly becoming the norm rather than the exception.

[1] - https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-01916-9

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