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Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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Post by sverhagen »

mschild wrote: post #217
theluketaylor wrote: post #192

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Or it actually accelerates the model pumping. If the software has to be supported for 5 years after it’s last on sale there could be a perverse incentive to roll SKUs like crazy even if there are not any actual changes so you only have to support for the shortest possible time.

That would still effectively be 5 years of updates which is a hell of a lot better than what most manufacturers currently offer.

Sure it would be, but I think the implied point above was that including the period the device is sold (what's that? say three years), the total support time is much closer to the ten years that was being discussed up top, and pumping out more new devices may shorten that back to closer to five years.

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Post by sverhagen »

beebeepka wrote: post #219
kitsunesoba wrote: post #128

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It would be interesting if a side effect of this proposed legislation, Android manufacturers stop pumping out new models as aggressively. It would make sense if that's how it turned out, because these manufacturers would effectively be crafting their own support nightmares by continuing to put out new models at a high cadence. This in turn should make for better parts availability since the window that any given mode…

Fantastic point. Chinese manufacturers pump out SKUs like crazy - several new models every six months or so. Of course, it might turn out as theluketaylor says but I doubt it

Maybe that's just waiting on some settled precedents on what's really a new model. Could this be brought before a judge who'd then possibly rule that SKUs 1, 2, and 3 are essentially the same device and should thus count as such for the purposes meant here?

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Post by scarface_74 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #280
scarface_74 wrote: post #279

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Outside of the US and a few other companies, people pay full price for phones.

Eventually, always, but not up front. Poorer people "prefer" somewhat higher price that gets spread out over years, to paying full price up front. (I put "prefer" in quotes, because it's less of a choice, and more the only option they can afford.)

Most countries don’t do two year contracts - people have to pay the full price up front.

Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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Post by scarface_74 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #274
scarface_74 wrote: post #174

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Has the EU also made poverty illegal?

Poverty is a relative thing, not absolute. As for your link downthread - homelessness has many more causes than just not being able to afford a place to stay.

So what are those many causes where people have money and choose to live on the streets?

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Post by Kirby64 »

jq-r wrote: post #255
Kirby64 wrote: post #214

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That has nothing to do with "wrecking battery life" though. They added a fix to prevent the device from turning off early due to battery brownouts at lower states of charge. It did result in reduced performance (and they got a lawsuit cause they weren't open about why/how they did it) but this wasn't causing excessive battery drain.

Lets not use this case as a scapegoat and pretend that slowdowns don't exist in iOS. Pretty much from the first iPhone model it's well known that newer iOS releases will slow down your phone and/or make your battery drain faster. I even remember when they actually broke wifi on a lot of phones with an update and pretended that the hardware was defective all the time (which it wasn't). Hell I'm looking right now my ol…

The specific accusation was about 'wrecking battery life' and the source was the 'batterygate' lawsuits. This has nothing to do with a scapegoat.

Honestly, "it's well known" is anecdotal at best. If you're actually saying it was a problem that battery life dropped 40% from going from one update to another, then media would pick up on this. That's not a small amount here, you're saying battery is now 2/3 the previous runtime. If that was actually reliable and measurable, show me an article that has done testing on before-and-after from one update to another.

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Post by fomine3 »

madeofpalk wrote: post #67
jacquesm wrote: post #64

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> It is going to meant that Android can't take advantage of the high end features of the new phones that are being released That's perfectly ok, what you don't have you can't use. > and that old and slow phones are going to get updates that makes them run even slower. It would be up to the manufacturers to ensure that this is not the case. One way to do it would be to reduce bloat. > To top it of, it is not like manu…

Maybe it'll play out differently on the low-end, but on the high-end it seems there's been some "soft collusion" where one manufacturer raised prices, and others saw that as a signal they can also raise their prices.

The "collusion" was 5G. Everyone raised price, thanks to Qualcomm?

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Post by superkuh »

kaba0 wrote: post #100
superkuh wrote: post #97

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But there are options. And instead of having people chose themselves to pick these options and refuse to buy terrible phones the EU is instead saying it will use the force of government violence against other people so that only phones of their desired non-shittiness are sold there. I really don't thinking bringing violence into this situation is called for. The EU is showing is an implicit assumption that people can…

Come on, what a stupid take.. what violence? Let’s also call out the EU next for “using violence” and disallows selling grinded shit as food.. capitalism doesn’t work without rules , period! It’s as per the very Adam Smith! Libertarianism is absolutely divorced from reality.

Bad food causes actual physical harm to people. This is violence. Bringing in state violence to prevent this actual physical harm makes all the sense in the world.

Making a choice to buy a shitty phone with a glued in battery is not being harmed. There's no violence being done in this context. And there's no coercion involved.

As for, "What violence?", how do you think laws are enforced? I hope this helps you better understand my "stupid take".

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Post by [deleted] »

mftrhu wrote: post #193
superkuh wrote: post #97

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But there are options. And instead of having people chose themselves to pick these options and refuse to buy terrible phones the EU is instead saying it will use the force of government violence against other people so that only phones of their desired non-shittiness are sold there. I really don't thinking bringing violence into this situation is called for. The EU is showing is an implicit assumption that people can…

You are the one who is bringing "violence" up. Telling people that there are standards they have to abide by before you will be willing to associate with them - before the EU, made up of multiple institutions which are voted by and represent its citizens, will allow a certain kind of devices to be sold on its market - is not violence . I have no idea how it could ever be considered "violence", given the fact that we…

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Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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Post by kaba0 »

superkuh wrote: post #297
kaba0 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Come on, what a stupid take.. what violence? Let’s also call out the EU next for “using violence” and disallows selling grinded shit as food.. capitalism doesn’t work without rules , period! It’s as per the very Adam Smith! Libertarianism is absolutely divorced from reality.

Bad food causes actual physical harm to people. This is violence. Bringing in state violence to prevent this actual physical harm makes all the sense in the world. Making a choice to buy a shitty phone with a glued in battery is not being harmed . There's no violence being done in this context. And there's no coercion involved. As for, "What violence?", how do you think laws are enforced? I hope this helps you better…

Ok, let’s look at another example: gambling being illegal for kids. There is no physical harm being done in any way here, yet the “bad, evil EU” disallows it.

And sure, there is the enforcement part of each governing agency. Calling it “violence” is just click-bait headline level nonsense.

Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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Post by rypskar »

askonomm wrote: post #211

No more waterproof phones I guess. This saddens me. I find it very useful when driving my bike outdoors with it being mounted to my bike.

Fairphone have replaceable everything and is IP54 rated [0], making it weather proof

[0]https://support.fairphone.com/hc/en-us/articles/103775548405...

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