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The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by epylar »

pnt12 wrote: post #274
janandonly wrote: post #70

I feel the same burning hate like a thousand suns for FB/Meta, Google/YT and other platforms that monetize their users. But, let's be frank here: They monetize you and me, us, the users because 1 they can and, 2, they have to. Yes, they have to. Imagine they provided access to their platforms for free. How would the shareholders (your retirement funds included) respond when less profit was made? You see, we view them…

Won't someone think of the shareholders? This denial of responsability is a cancer on society. Poor devs, they can do no better because their manager ordered them to. Poor managers, they can do no better because they must reach their OKRs. Poor CxOs, they can do no better because they must please the board. Poor board, who must maximize the returns of the shareholders. Poor shareholders, who just want their retiremen…

The next step in the chain: why do shareholders need retirement funds?

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Post by TeMPOraL »

LanceH wrote: post #290
wak90 wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe glass door removes negative ratings

You have to pay up first, right?

Right, but it's not you, but your HR department. Which is also exactly the reason it's a bad idea to write anything about your current employer.

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Post by WirelessGigabit »

RadiozRadioz wrote: post #195
notfed wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Just modify part of your URL bar every time you click a link to Reddit" falls into "F you".

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/old-reddit-re... https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/old-reddit-redirec...

Except I can't do that on my iPhone. No extensions in Edge / Firefox / Chrome.

Re: The 'fuck you' pattern (2021)

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Post by tap-snap-or-nap »

pnt12 wrote: post #274
janandonly wrote: post #70

I feel the same burning hate like a thousand suns for FB/Meta, Google/YT and other platforms that monetize their users. But, let's be frank here: They monetize you and me, us, the users because 1 they can and, 2, they have to. Yes, they have to. Imagine they provided access to their platforms for free. How would the shareholders (your retirement funds included) respond when less profit was made? You see, we view them…

Won't someone think of the shareholders? This denial of responsability is a cancer on society. Poor devs, they can do no better because their manager ordered them to. Poor managers, they can do no better because they must reach their OKRs. Poor CxOs, they can do no better because they must please the board. Poor board, who must maximize the returns of the shareholders. Poor shareholders, who just want their retiremen…

Major institutional shareholders for most companies is a small cabal of financial institutions, like Vanguard, Blackrock and State Street Corp. The people in those institutions often known to interact with each other socially and their role is to protect the wealth, activities and identities of their clients.

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Post by sshine »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #250
sshine wrote: post #224

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Your expectation was that this information was free, and you got offended when you realised they trade in information and you have to pay with giving some back? This is not a dark pattern any more than giving a company like GlassDoor this information is a dark deed.

Beyond not disclosing the requirement up front being a clear dark pattern, I'd think this is self-defeating. The only time I need Glassdoor is when I'm contemplating changing jobs. Leaving a review for my current employer feels extremely risky, as the no. 1 type of users of Glassdoor are HR departments.

Yes, such a review can’t easily be honest.

When I looked up an employer I’d joined recently, I gave a review as someone who had just started. Their most recent negative review was quite negative and easily traceable to the person who had most recently quit and was on their last days.

So reviews are either dishonest or not anonymous when they have to be recent; this pattern appears to incentivise some degree of pollution or self-incrimination.

The review I gave before leaving was much more informed and honest, in part because I timed it and in part because there were several people with my profile leaving at the same time.

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Post by salawat »

EA-3167 wrote: post #257
jowdones wrote: post #254

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Sadly "giving up" on using "their" services is inconvenient to you a lot more than it's hurting them. Sure you can refuse to use Facebook and Glassdoor and Amazon and Google account authentication, but then you might as well grow a beard, puton some rags and go live in the woods as a hermit. World doesn't change coze some guy decides to stop talking showers because the water company is an abusing asshole. The correct…

> Sure you can refuse to use Facebook and Glassdoor and Amazon and Google account authentication, but then you might as well grow a beard, puton some rags and go live in the woods as a hermit. This is a bizarrely extreme form of black and white thinking, and not one I understand. Most of what we do in life isn't about changing the world, it's about managing our experience of it. Few people are deluded enough or so en…

>Few people are deluded enough or so engaged with self-love that they think their ideas and behavior are world-changing.

...And everyone walking around with an attitude like that is exactly why the world is as shitty as it is. The world is the sum of all of us. Think better of yourself and your time, and do everything you can to make life harder for those that would try to sell you on cheapening it, and you just might make the world a better place for everyone.

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Post by acover »

xwdv wrote: post #302
acover wrote: post #280

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Caving into lying? That just pollutes their database.

It’s fairly trivial to detect bad data, especially when you know what good data looks like. And once you’re in, they can still get useful data even if you lied.

That's surprising. How do you trivially detect bad data? (Beyond extreme examples like below minimum wage)

Even when you know the true distribution (in which case why ask for more data) you can only remove outliers. But outliers exist.

There are techniques for when someone enters many numbers but I don't know any for 1 number.

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Post by atomicbeanie »

cyanydeez wrote: post #299
atomicbeanie wrote: post #279

I don’t wish to be too much of a fly in the ointment. I understand the darkness of dark patterns. But if we wish to not be secretly tracked (which is dark), then isn’t the alternative to openly ask if I want to exchange knowledge of my identity in exchange for the content I seek, so they can target the ads that pay for the content aggregation service I am using? The preceding question mark is not rhetorical. Maybe I…

Sure, but with reddit,their pattern is to push you to their app. If they were just trying to wrangle a user into a simple adnetwork proposition, _why can't they do that with a webapp_. It's because they want far more privacy invasive features.

Yes, I agree, logging in is different than forcing people to use installed software.

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Post by EA-3167 »

salawat wrote: post #316
EA-3167 wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sure you can refuse to use Facebook and Glassdoor and Amazon and Google account authentication, but then you might as well grow a beard, puton some rags and go live in the woods as a hermit. This is a bizarrely extreme form of black and white thinking, and not one I understand. Most of what we do in life isn't about changing the world, it's about managing our experience of it. Few people are deluded enough or so en…

>Few people are deluded enough or so engaged with self-love that they think their ideas and behavior are world-changing. ...And everyone walking around with an attitude like that is exactly why the world is as shitty as it is. The world is the sum of all of us. Think better of yourself and your time, and do everything you can to make life harder for those that would try to sell you on cheapening it, and you just migh…

That's a remarkably moralistic and simplistic view that ignores the realities and mechanics of large-scale power. Simply LARPing as though we're world-changing with our banal existence isn't helpful, it's pure self-indulgence.

Unless you're very wealthy, very violent, or very committed to a cause (often to the point of entering politics or raising/moving money) your individual contribution is negligible.

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Post by flangola7 »

acover wrote: post #317
xwdv wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s fairly trivial to detect bad data, especially when you know what good data looks like. And once you’re in, they can still get useful data even if you lied.

That's surprising. How do you trivially detect bad data? (Beyond extreme examples like below minimum wage) Even when you know the true distribution (in which case why ask for more data) you can only remove outliers. But outliers exist. There are techniques for when someone enters many numbers but I don't know any for 1 number.

For one, how carefully did the user input information into fields. If you're making it up, it will be much faster and less hesitant than a legitimate entry.

That and a hundred other data points help create a ML model that reliability identifies illegitimate activity.

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