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Declassified U.S. report on origins of Covid-19 virus [pdf]

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Post by jhugo »

rootusrootus wrote: post #44
kyrra wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think your link proves your point like you think it does. It's a correlation, not causation. The question is, what other variables may impact conservatives. One of the main factors in if you die from getting covid is age. And conservatives tend to be older. I would love to see an age normalized version of that data. I'd bet it would be about a wash.

The only people in my circle of friends and family who died from COVID were middle age or older obese men who were ideologically opposed to taking a vaccine. I do have a number of conservative friends & family who did vaccinate, none of them got more than the sniffles.

Anecdotally, there are plenty of people with obesity or other risk factors who died despite being fully vaccinated.

Meanwhile, I had a confirmed COVID infection early on, before vaccines were available, and had nothing more than the sniffles. I then had two more confirmed infections after having three vaccine doses, and had the same sniffles.

These anecdotes, like yours, are not very useful since they only confirm what we already know: no vaccine is 100% effective, and no risk factor is a death sentence.

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Post by Klinky »

ed25519FUUU wrote: post #37

It’s sad this became so political with people. Total brain rot.

Claiming something was/is "too politicized" is typically just a tactic to say you disagree with something politically with a false air of superiority that you're not "making it political", while you actually are the moment you bring up politics.

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Post by [deleted] »

baumy wrote: post #67
metamet wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's some confusion and rewriting of history going on here. The left wasn't denying the possibility that it leaked from the Wuhan lab. This was a theory very early on and it wasn't "denied" more that it wasn't substantiated. It became political when it was asserted by people on the right, without any actual research or investigation, that was an intentional release from China. Majority of that blame falls…

Candidly, I think that this comment is actually the one rewriting history. There absolutely, 100% was complete denial, all originating on the political left, that a leak from a lab in China was a possibility. No confusion about intentional vs accidental - total denial of the possibility in any way shape or form. Suggesting it was possible, much less plausible or even likely, was labeled racist. Attempts were made (wi…

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Post by Klinky »

whodidntante wrote: post #66
Klinky wrote: post #40

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Neither of those are definitive sources of evidence. Grant proposals that were denied and statements that the furin site could've evolved naturally or been lab manipulated, aren't really evidence that COVID-19 leaked from a lab.

definitive sources of evidence ? no statements about furin sites being evidence of a lab leak ? no But clearly enough for quite a number of people in scientific leadership positions to state publicly that any discussion of a lab leak is a conspiracy theory and to ridicule and censor anyone who thought so. In fact, these scientific leaders were so good, and so on top of things, that they were able to do the research a…

We agree that it's not definitive evidence. You typing a lot of words and citing another non-definitive source doesn't make it more definitive.

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Post by SoftTalker »

baumy wrote: post #67
metamet wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's some confusion and rewriting of history going on here. The left wasn't denying the possibility that it leaked from the Wuhan lab. This was a theory very early on and it wasn't "denied" more that it wasn't substantiated. It became political when it was asserted by people on the right, without any actual research or investigation, that was an intentional release from China. Majority of that blame falls…

Candidly, I think that this comment is actually the one rewriting history. There absolutely, 100% was complete denial, all originating on the political left, that a leak from a lab in China was a possibility. No confusion about intentional vs accidental - total denial of the possibility in any way shape or form. Suggesting it was possible, much less plausible or even likely, was labeled racist. Attempts were made (wi…

Yeah that's what I remember too. Pelosi made a big statement about going to eat in Chinatown in response, and in general it was quickly an issue that the left pounced on so they could say Trump was an idiot and a racist.

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Post by ESTheComposer »

metamet wrote: post #64
_-____-_ wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't even understand why it became political. What incentive do people on the left have to deny the obvious conclusion that it came from the lab?

I think there's some confusion and rewriting of history going on here. The left wasn't denying the possibility that it leaked from the Wuhan lab. This was a theory very early on and it wasn't "denied" more that it wasn't substantiated. It became political when it was asserted by people on the right, without any actual research or investigation, that was an intentional release from China. Majority of that blame falls…

Man you are rewriting history for sure. Twitter was banning Wuhan lab theories as misinformation and Fauci's leaked emails show him asking the NIH to further "put down" the lab leak theories.

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Post by Sebguer »

asynchronous wrote: post #63

Off topic, does anyone else remember the videos from December/January 2020 coming from China that showed young healthy adults dropping dead in the streets like it was a zombie plague? Going off of China’s own numbers, none of that was reality, so what the heck was that? Some ridiculous psyop? For what purpose? To what end?

Are you sure you didn't just watch Contagion and get confused? I do not recall anything of this sort, in fact until March 2020, no one thought Covid was anything serious as far as I can really remember.

I recall most people believing my employer over-reacted when they shut down the offices. I don't think people would have felt this way if what you were describing had been a thing.

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Post by metamet »

baumy wrote: post #67
metamet wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there's some confusion and rewriting of history going on here. The left wasn't denying the possibility that it leaked from the Wuhan lab. This was a theory very early on and it wasn't "denied" more that it wasn't substantiated. It became political when it was asserted by people on the right, without any actual research or investigation, that was an intentional release from China. Majority of that blame falls…

Candidly, I think that this comment is actually the one rewriting history. There absolutely, 100% was complete denial, all originating on the political left, that a leak from a lab in China was a possibility. No confusion about intentional vs accidental - total denial of the possibility in any way shape or form. Suggesting it was possible, much less plausible or even likely, was labeled racist. Attempts were made (wi…

Odd, I remember it perfectly well, too.

> There absolutely, 100% was complete denial, all originating on the political left, that a leak from a lab in China was a possibility.

Well, that's just patently wrong. There was not "complete denial" by any means, as the majority of scientists were open to any and all possibility of origin. As such, the left--who was following those scientists--maintained the same position.

Saying that "there is no evidence that it was leaked" is not blanket denial. It is just that--there is no evidence, thus the possibility remains open but shouldn't be entertained as decisive.

Yet many politicians on the right, despite there being no evidence, dug their feet into the ground, convinced it was.

Not sure how you got the impression that not having evidence of something equates to "complete denial", but it's incorrect.

> Suggesting it was possible, much less plausible or even likely, was labeled racist.

We knew the virus originated in the Wuhan region of China. Don't pretend that suppression occurred because of simple discussion of the topic--it was predominantly due to politicians raging xenophobic wars by trying to rename it "The China Virus".

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Post by rrrrrrrrrrrryan »

EMM_386 wrote: post #47
dannyz wrote: post #43

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It does seem odd they would want to set up a lab in close proximity to what they wanted to study

> It does seem odd they would want to set up a lab in close proximity to what they wanted to study The lab was nowhere near the site of what they were studying. The coronavirus strains came from a cave 600 miles away and brought to Wuhan for further study. Again, none of these viruses have a unique furin cleavage site for ACE-2. If you read the FOIA document requests, one of the people who got grant money said "I jus…

> The lab was nowhere near the site of what they were studying.

> The coronavirus strains came from a cave 600 miles away and brought to Wuhan for further study.

The best theory I've come across is that patient zero was a person collecting bats in caves for the lab in Wuhan. By all records, they wore woefully inadequate PPE (unlike the people in the lab itself who had well-established procedures).

This theory explains the jump from animal to human, the geographic origin, the reason why China didn't allow any outside investigations, and why most geneticists believe it likely had a zoological origin. (Yes, that last bit remains true no matter how badly the conspiracy theorists want it to be false.)

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Post by metamet »

SoftTalker wrote: post #75
baumy wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Candidly, I think that this comment is actually the one rewriting history. There absolutely, 100% was complete denial, all originating on the political left, that a leak from a lab in China was a possibility. No confusion about intentional vs accidental - total denial of the possibility in any way shape or form. Suggesting it was possible, much less plausible or even likely, was labeled racist. Attempts were made (wi…

Yeah that's what I remember too. Pelosi made a big statement about going to eat in Chinatown in response, and in general it was quickly an issue that the left pounced on so they could say Trump was an idiot and a racist.

> it was quickly an issue that the left pounced on so they could say Trump was an idiot and a racist.

Trump did that to himself with his response by trying to stir xenophobic hate by calling it "The China Virus".

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