Might be the most important geopolitical development in 2023, with over 100 points and its still [flagged].
Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army
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Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army
#112So far there are no confirmations (videos or photos) of Prigozhin's previous statements that Wagner mercenaries have allegedly entered Rostov-on-Don. Local media don't confirm that.
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/16723944954243563...
Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army
#113Wagner leader Prigozhin is gambling and betting everything on red (or black?). The problem for the Russian government is that many ordinary pro-war Russians see Prigozhin as a hero. If they kill him, he'll become a martyr. For all I care both sides are war criminals and should answer for their atrocities in Ukraine. If they can kill each other without also killing civilians, don't think we should stand in their way t…
That's not the case. He is saying things against the Army but still saying Putin was misguided by Army information. It's more like he's trying to save Putin's by saying "the war was not his [Putin's] fault.
Its an attempt to seize power from Putin even if it includes a face-saving way for Putin to surrender and retain nominal position.
Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army
#114My guess: its a tactic designed to embolden the enemy and keep them committed to a failing strategy. Bakhmut was a meat grinder, but as long as the hope of victory could be kept alive in the Ukrainian army, they would keep sending their troops to slaughter. So we got all of these videos about chaos & ammo running out on the Russian side. And the Ukrainians obligingly poured manpower into an almost-perfectly-surrounde…
It does not make a lot of sense. If I were Ukrainian military, I'd stop fighting and just waited for the enemy to tear itself apart, only then advanced.
They'll probably want to keep the pressure on rather than letting the Russians get over it and regroup. The Ukrainians can't know the result of the infighting so keep going and hope the infighting improves their cause.
Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army
#115Zerohedge, which is basically just a Russian propaganda source, is saying that the Wagner chief is already attempting to walk back his comments. Which kind of makes sense, as a moderately sized PMC has approximately zero chance against the might of a nation. So I'm not really sure that anything is gonna happen here. Hope I'm wrong, though.
Their latest update seems to be following the same storyling as the other sources: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/wagner-chief-declares...
Wow. So this really is a big deal then. First the sub, now this, it's been a big news week.
Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army
#116Nobody announces a coup in advance. What's going on? On theory is that if he's arrested and tried in Russia he's mostly ineligible for war crime trial in the future.
> Nobody announces a coup in advance Taking what we're seeing at face value, Prigozhin is credibly threatening to march on Moscow. He isn't announcing anything in advance, he's using public channels to sway leaders to his side.
and the other side is busy closing down public channels: https://tass.ru/obschestvo/18103517
> VKontakte blocked Prigozhin's statement on the basis of the decision of the Prosecutor General's Office of the Russian Federation
Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army
#117Wagner leader Prigozhin is gambling and betting everything on red (or black?). The problem for the Russian government is that many ordinary pro-war Russians see Prigozhin as a hero. If they kill him, he'll become a martyr. For all I care both sides are war criminals and should answer for their atrocities in Ukraine. If they can kill each other without also killing civilians, don't think we should stand in their way t…
I'll say this, the guy is bold as hell. He's an absolute maniac and probably worse than Putin but he sure isn't afraid of anything. One can only hope he wrecks enough chaos make the war in Ukraine untenable. I'll also say this, Putin played his hand as poorly as humanly possible. He spent decades stockpiling loyalty and political capital with an iron fist and spent it all in less two years and has absolutely nothing…
I'll say one thing - I wish US generals would publicly speak our against our wars and the lies behind them.
Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army
#118Even the US wouldn't allow it... Imagine this idiot with the nuclear button.
Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army
#119Even the US wouldn't allow it... Imagine this idiot with the nuclear button.
What makes you think he is an idiot?
Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army
#120There has been a lot of talk, but no concrete actions yet. No marches anywhere, no clashes between regular armed forces and the PMC, nothing. Some armored vehicles were put on the streets of Moscow and Rostov (which is located near the border with Ukraine), but that's about it. https://t.me/svtvnews/31224 https://t.me/svtvnews/31232
This is all unfolding literally right now. It looks like a military base in Moscow is now on fire. Edit… Also reports of fighting between Wagner and russia's national guard on the Rostov-Moscow highway. Wagner are on the move towards Moscow.
Rostov is 1,000 km from Moscow.