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Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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Post by tootie »

WhereIsTheTruth wrote: post #52

What kind of reaction people expect from this hackernews post? Anything that goes against the dogma will get shut down? What's the veracity of this article to begin with? In the age of digital transformation, what are the chances we are reading fake news from the Ukrainian front? They attack each other? well, if they killed some russians and stole their missiles, it's easy to create confusion on the adversary camp, c…

Multiple reports in multiple major outlets are reporting that he is accusing Russia of attacking his troops. I think the coup part is speculative but the accusation is a heavy one and implies that he feels at war with Moscow already.

Edit: Quick followup, NY Time has it top of the fold. Russia is accusing Wagner of fomenting a coup and the Kremlin is deploying armor to the streets of Moscow. This isn't definitely happening but it's a credible story.

Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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Post by yakshaving_jgt »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #22

Is there a deal Kyiv can strike with Putin in this moment?

I think any peace deal would necessarily involve ceded territory.

I imagine that territory could be the Bryansk, Kursk, Bilhorod, Rostov, and Krasnodar oblasts.

Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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Post by _V_ »

Prigozhin, via AP Wagner channel, calls for Rosgvardia to join him, or "things will go badly":

"The most promising politician appeals to the National Guard (Rosgvardia) with an offer that is better not refused. Obeying criminal orders and attempting to interfere with the planned campaign of Justice will end badly for employees who have made the wrong choice."

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672364086812606470

Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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Post by 082349872349872 »

Youden wrote: post #37

Better known source: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-mercenary-boss-...

...and on the other side, even ТАСС has been reporting on it: https://tass.com/russia/1637443

Edit: note that the TASS coverage is far more up-to-date in russian than english. (protip: translate.yandex.com) Новость дополняется. https://tass.ru/delo-v-otnoshenii-prigozhina-ob-organizacii-...

Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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Post by coolspot »

Actually, could be very well planned and well timed move by the CIA:

Russian army is tied at the front, can’t leave it to protect the government.

Wagners are very angry at RU MoD and above for all the betrayals and missteps (art. ammo supply, surrenders, etc.)

RU public is tired of the war and disappointed in Putin (but can’t voice that because of laws that say you will go to jail for just showing UA flag).

Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

uejfiweun wrote: post #39

Zerohedge, which is basically just a Russian propaganda source, is saying that the Wagner chief is already attempting to walk back his comments. Which kind of makes sense, as a moderately sized PMC has approximately zero chance against the might of a nation. So I'm not really sure that anything is gonna happen here. Hope I'm wrong, though.

Their latest update seems to be following the same storyling as the other sources:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/wagner-chief-declares...

Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army

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Post by _V_ »

api wrote: post #60
_V_ wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well either this is the best psyop I have seen in a long time or something is happening: https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1672359193863487491

It's the same people who faked the moon landings and the Sandy Hook shooting. /jk Something is clearly happening, but it's hard to tell exactly what. Fog of war and all that.

Of course - it is unfolding right now. We'll get a better picture later, but for now I'm posting what I can get (along with sources so everyone can follow up/make their mind).
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