Earlier quoted context omitted.
prove?
Well either this is the best psyop I have seen in a long time or something is happening: https://twitter.com/Liveuamap/status/1672359193863487491
Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army
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Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army
#42Is there a deal Kyiv can strike with Putin in this moment?
And then, if the plan to cut off Crimea succeeds, they could try to negotiate with Russia - on much stronger terms.
Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army
#43Wagner leader Prigozhin is gambling and betting everything on red (or black?). The problem for the Russian government is that many ordinary pro-war Russians see Prigozhin as a hero. If they kill him, he'll become a martyr. For all I care both sides are war criminals and should answer for their atrocities in Ukraine. If they can kill each other without also killing civilians, don't think we should stand in their way t…
> If they kill him, he'll become a martyr Prigozhin seems to be playing this savvily. Extremely savvily. He isn't directly threatening Putin. There is a face-saving change in which Shoigu et al are executed and Prigozhin and Putin split their cookies. Putin can frame it as discovering they lied to him, and possibly even re-set expectations for the war in Ukraine.
Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army
#44Prigozhin gaining power, potentially even over Putin, would be horrible for Russians, but stabilizing for Europe. (See: North Korea.)
You realise he's off his rocker, right? The stopped clock has just been momentarily right.
There is no situation where it is a good idea that a mercenary army leader whose staff are criminals takes power over a nuclear-armed state.
Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army
#45«We're on our way to Moscow, and anyone who entered our centres will answer for it» - Prigozhin https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/16723584970679705...
Is this a serious attempt at a military coup? Wagner's command is competent. The recent border incursions show Russia is lightly fortified, possibly Moscow, too. The wild card would appear to be the FSB. Do they tend ultranationalist? Or will they be loyal to Shoigu?
The best way to ensure his own safety at this point is a coup.
Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army
#46Is there a deal Kyiv can strike with Putin in this moment?
Why would they want to? If this does escalate enough, it would make more sense for them to redouble the efforts for their offensive - they still have plenty of reserves that haven't entered the fray yet. And then , if the plan to cut off Crimea succeeds, they could try to negotiate with Russia - on much stronger terms.
I don't know, when the board changes you look for openings. On the military side, I would use the distraction to extract battlefield gains. On the diplomatic side, maybe Putin is willing to give up more, now, than he (or his successor) will later.
Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army
#47Zerohedge, which is basically just a Russian propaganda source, is saying that the Wagner chief is already attempting to walk back his comments. Which kind of makes sense, as a moderately sized PMC has approximately zero chance against the might of a nation. So I'm not really sure that anything is gonna happen here. Hope I'm wrong, though.
Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army
#48This is absurd. It makes no sense. I'm calling psyop.
Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army
#49Is there a deal Kyiv can strike with Putin in this moment?
Re: Wagner coup in Russia? Wagner declared war on the Russian army
#50Is there a deal Kyiv can strike with Putin in this moment?
Why would they want to? If this does escalate enough, it would make more sense for them to redouble the efforts for their offensive - they still have plenty of reserves that haven't entered the fray yet. And then , if the plan to cut off Crimea succeeds, they could try to negotiate with Russia - on much stronger terms.