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Re: Titan sub CEO dismissed safety warnings as 'baseless cries', emails show

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Post by ImPostingOnHN » Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 9:21 PM UTC

Nux wrote: post #36

jjulius wrote: post #17

An excerpt from an email Stockton Rush sent out, according to the article (emphasis mine): >I have grown tired of industry players who try to use a safety argument to stop innovation and new entrants from entering their small existing market. Since Guillermo and I started OceanGate we have heard the baseless cries of "you are going to kill someone" way too often. I take this as a serious personal insult. Just... wow.

A bet gone wrong.. Many innovations started off in a similar manner, ignoring or challenging the status quo.. That said, it's mighty spectacular and sad the way he was proven wrong. rip.

more to the point, taking safety warnings as a personal insult is a red flag for literally dangerous narcissism

Re: Titan sub CEO dismissed safety warnings as 'baseless cries', emails show

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Post by jeffbee » Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 9:23 PM UTC

Clearly nobody stopped this guy, so what was he whining about? It sounds like he was opposed to some completely illusory regulation.

Re: Titan sub CEO dismissed safety warnings as 'baseless cries', emails show

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Post by ImPostingOnHN » Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 9:24 PM UTC

SoftTalker wrote: post #30

n-exploit wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is called criminal negligence

It's why the standard for negligence is "known or should have known " i.e. the person has enough experience or education to have known better. It's probably harder to prove than it sounds.

should have known IE the person is operating in a subject/domain where they're expected to know certain things, regardless of their own experience, like deep sea diving

based on communique both to and from the CEO, the CEO did, in fact, know, that the vessel was not certified to do what it was doing, and that there were safety risks to it

Re: Titan sub CEO dismissed safety warnings as 'baseless cries', emails show

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Post by chasing » Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 9:24 PM UTC

Move fast and catastrophically implode things.

Re: Titan sub CEO dismissed safety warnings as 'baseless cries', emails show

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 9:24 PM UTC

binkHN wrote: post #31

These emails and related will be used for the upcoming wrongful death lawsuits to show negligence.

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Re: Titan sub CEO dismissed safety warnings as 'baseless cries', emails show

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Post by SkipperCat » Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 9:24 PM UTC

Too bad he never read the stories of the De Havilland Comet which crashed due to metal fatigue.

Its OK to take risks, but stupid to ignore facts. Science would have told him that multiple trips would sooner or later make the vessel fail.

Re: Titan sub CEO dismissed safety warnings as 'baseless cries', emails show

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Post by freedomben » Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 9:26 PM UTC

ImPostingOnHN wrote: post #41

Nux wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A bet gone wrong.. Many innovations started off in a similar manner, ignoring or challenging the status quo.. That said, it's mighty spectacular and sad the way he was proven wrong. rip.

more to the point, taking safety warnings as a personal insult is a red flag for literally dangerous narcissism

> taking safety warnings as a personal insult is a red flag for literally dangerous narcissism

It certainly can be, but I have worked with people that absolutely use "safety" as a reason not to do anything, or as a reason to shoot down ideas from people they are competing against (different departments, possible promotions, etc). Like most things in life, this is not black or white, it's some shade of gray.

Re: Titan sub CEO dismissed safety warnings as 'baseless cries', emails show

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Post by stasmo » Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 9:27 PM UTC

xyzelement wrote: post #29

Names are important. If your name is Rush (as is the CEOs), you are gonna do stuff too fast and cut corners.

This is just simple prejudice.

Re: Titan sub CEO dismissed safety warnings as 'baseless cries', emails show

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Post by ScoobleDoodle » Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 9:28 PM UTC

paulcole wrote: post #27

mydogcanpurr wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd argue it's still unethical to put others at risk due to your own incompetence. I wouldn't offer to rewire someone's home because I'm not an electrician, and their house could burn down if I do it incorrectly.

Is it unethical if you don't know you're incompetent?

Hence standards of safety to weed out the incompetent. As usual, written in blood.

Re: Titan sub CEO dismissed safety warnings as 'baseless cries', emails show

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Post by nltuf120 » Fri, Jun 23, 2023, 9:29 PM UTC

bananashazama wrote: post #12

908B64B197 wrote: post #4

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