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"Is there a 40 hour a week job out there that pays and furthers their career comparably?" The defense industry in the US is like this. It is illegal for a company to have employees work more that 40 hours a week without overtime pay. The rationale is: If Company A has a company culture of all employees working 60 hours a week and Company B has a corporate culture of working 40 hours a week, Company A could charge the…
Can you cite a source on that? As a software engineer for a major defense contractor who works closely with other major contractors, I can say with some degree of certainty that being paid overtime is certainly not the norm, and 60 hour weeks aren't terribly uncommon during crunch periods. We have to report our hours accurately, but they've always been pretty clear that we're exempt employees and so they're under no…
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#212Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hm, let me guess: does it work because the employer pools all of his employees, and the insurance can account for that? Like one employee gets seriously ill, but 10 stay healthy, so the costs average out? I think private insurance here in Germany just forms arbitrary pools of people, but the don't just insure anybody. If you have some risk indicators, they won't insure you. Maybe the employers in the US simply have a…
That is exactly what happens. There are so many tiers of issues its hard to dissect. 1. Big corporations get much better rates by pooling all their employees together and then negotiating for coverage. 2. The insurance companies pool all their subscribers and use that as leverage to negotiate better rates with the hospitals. As an individual, you don't get the diversification effect of #1, so you end up paying a prem…
Hmm.
USAA quoted me $350.81 per month (same plan provider!) for two adults, two children, one adult 'healthy as a horse', one adult with preexisting conditions.
Just one pass, without shopping around.
That sounds pretty steep - it is - but it's only twice what you could expect to pay for car insurance.
I'll bet if I shop around I could find a deal. Wonder what would happen if more of us did so?
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#213The U.S. has a strong free enterprise foundation and its laws reflect this. Freedom of contract remains the rule even though it is much criticized in some circles and has been hedged considerably over the years. In employment, the old rule was that you could pretty much fire anyone at will for any reason and, if you did, you incurred no legal consequence. This is pure freedom of contract. In time, this unrestricted f…
Aren't lawyers typically paid by the hour?
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That is exactly what happens. There are so many tiers of issues its hard to dissect. 1. Big corporations get much better rates by pooling all their employees together and then negotiating for coverage. 2. The insurance companies pool all their subscribers and use that as leverage to negotiate better rates with the hospitals. As an individual, you don't get the diversification effect of #1, so you end up paying a prem…
As an individual, you don't get the diversification effect of #1, so you end up paying a premium rate. Hmm. USAA quoted me $350.81 per month (same plan provider!) for two adults, two children, one adult 'healthy as a horse', one adult with preexisting conditions. Just one pass, without shopping around. That sounds pretty steep - it is - but it's only twice what you could expect to pay for car insurance. I'll bet if I…
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> No employer has ever, ever given me free money, and I have never expected it some firms offer a bonus. i guess that counts as free money way in the way that overtime counts as free time. > the deal is an exchange of money for time if that really was the deal, then you'd be paid hourly. i think most programmers exchanging results for money.
> some firms offer a bonus. i guess that counts as free money way in the way that overtime counts as free time. I've always disliked this way of thinking. A bonus is a reward for the good work (already) done, NOT incentive/payment to add additional work.
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#217Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is exactly what happens. There are so many tiers of issues its hard to dissect. 1. Big corporations get much better rates by pooling all their employees together and then negotiating for coverage. 2. The insurance companies pool all their subscribers and use that as leverage to negotiate better rates with the hospitals. As an individual, you don't get the diversification effect of #1, so you end up paying a prem…
As an individual, you don't get the diversification effect of #1, so you end up paying a premium rate. Hmm. USAA quoted me $350.81 per month (same plan provider!) for two adults, two children, one adult 'healthy as a horse', one adult with preexisting conditions. Just one pass, without shopping around. That sounds pretty steep - it is - but it's only twice what you could expect to pay for car insurance. I'll bet if I…
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#218I work at Twitter, where i regularly work longs hours (my standard work day is something like 10 - 19:30) and am frequently on call. I even spend time at the weekends thinking and hacking on specific problems. I feel that the author's post doesn't apply in my case, because: - Some of the problems i work on are amazing. They're interesting and fun, and i enjoy them outside the normal "work hours". - Twitter has an "un…
> I regularly work longs hours (my standard work day is something like 10 - 19:30) I live in Japan and what is this?
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#219The crazy overtime that people in the medical profession are expected to put in is probably one of the most egregious examples, because lives could literally be lost as a consequence of errors made due to lack of sleep and overwork.
Lawyers are typically worked to death at law firms.
Wall St is famous for making people slave away virtually non-stop -- making work your life and having no life outside of work is quite common. Of course, big bonuses are promised -- and delivered to senior people -- but more junior people often aren't so lucky.
Even teachers, who many people think "have it so easy", actually spend a huge amount of time outside of school hours grading papers and making lesson plans. Their "long vacations" are also typically filled with work-related activities.
And don't even get me started on how low-wage employees and undocumented workers are typically treated.
It seems no matter where I look, people are working their assess off in America -- and suffering the consequences: burnout, a shitty life/work balance through which their families, friends, and their non-work lives suffer.
And for what? It's not like many of the companies these people work for couldn't afford to hire more people to reduce the workload to sane levels.
I'm really amazed at how highly skilled employees at prestigious law firms and Wall St firms are made to work like mad. Those firms could easily afford to hire more junior people to pick up some of the lower-level work -- but they don't.
As a result, a lot of these firms are like revolving doors, with people dropping like flies. The carrots of money are dangled in front of their faces, but otherwise the firms don't really seem to care about their employees -- and will often drop them without a second thought (even if business suffers as a result, which it often does).
And it's just so incredibly dangerous and downright unethical to make doctors and nurses work a crazy amount of overtime with little or no sleep.
Why is it so difficult for these companies to offer their employees a healthy life/work balance? Why is a big paycheck is supposed to solve everything? Why don't more companies offer their employees a healthy amount of time to sleep at night instead of just more cash?
Business will improve as productivity improves as a result (and business should know this well by now, as there have been tons of studies to show it). Employees and their families will be healthier and happier. Healthy and happy employees are clearly better employees, especially compared to the super-stressed near-burnout heart attack candidates that so many of these firms seem to prefer to cultivate.
Improving the life/work balance seems like a huge win-win situation for both employers and employees, and a no-brainer. What am I missing?
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Really? Maybe it depends on the specialty, because every single company I know that works with Drupal has more work than they can handle and is hiring developers.
It depends quite heavily what sort of software. Web development is booming. Systems software is busting.
I don't believe the market actually is bad for people with a modern systems programming skillset (not least because we have trouble hiring those people), but I don't doubt that there are systems jobs that used to be common that no longer are.
Nobody has a license not to adapt. If you're stuck in a crappy job working overtime solely because you're stuck maintaining AIX database applications, it's hard to blame the structure of the job market on that. Get thee to Github.