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Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by civilitty »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #32
nozzlegear wrote: post #17

I’m curious how other vegetarians and vegans feel about eating lab-grown meat? My gut reaction to this is “yuck, meat” [1]. I’ve been following lab-grown meat for a while and haven’t been able to get over this feeling, and for that reason I don’t think I’ll include it in my diet as a vegetarian. Intellectually I know that no animal was killed to produce it, but after going without meat for so long I just find the tho…

> I’m curious how other vegetarians and vegans feel about eating lab-grown meat? Focusing only on the opinions about other people: eventually, there is going to be less meat. They're going to get less of this physiologically delightful thing. It's inevitable. For like 4-8% of the population, like me, they don't need the delight of meat. Fine. But that still leaves 92% who eat meat as long as it is possible to do so.…

> For like 4-8% of the population, like me, they don't need the delight of meat. Fine. But that still leaves 92% who eat meat as long as it is possible to do so.

Yeah I don't like the look of that ratio. I don't think you guys can reproduce fast enough to feed all of us!

Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by 0xB31B1B »

ezekg wrote: post #27

> The company plans to make 50,000 pounds of meat per year there to start, eventually scaling up to more than 400,000 pounds per year. Doesn't sound like they're planning on things being very popular. I buy >5 lb of chicken every month (family of 4). I imagine bigger families buy more. But let's assume I'm average -- so 50k lbs a year comes out to a little over 800 customers a year. So not a lot. Even their "big" pro…

the GTM for fake/cultured meats generally goes through restaurants first. its easy to train a few chefs to cook properly, partner with them to make meals that taste great. Much better solution than buying in a grocery and lettting anyone yolo.

Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by phkahler »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #32
nozzlegear wrote: post #17

I’m curious how other vegetarians and vegans feel about eating lab-grown meat? My gut reaction to this is “yuck, meat” [1]. I’ve been following lab-grown meat for a while and haven’t been able to get over this feeling, and for that reason I don’t think I’ll include it in my diet as a vegetarian. Intellectually I know that no animal was killed to produce it, but after going without meat for so long I just find the tho…

> I’m curious how other vegetarians and vegans feel about eating lab-grown meat? Focusing only on the opinions about other people: eventually, there is going to be less meat. They're going to get less of this physiologically delightful thing. It's inevitable. For like 4-8% of the population, like me, they don't need the delight of meat. Fine. But that still leaves 92% who eat meat as long as it is possible to do so.…

>> It will be interesting to see how many people become vegan not because of any moral reason, but because it helps them e.g. cope with extraordinarily high prices.

My estimate is zero. Prices may reduce certain foods to occasional consumption. I can't speak for other non-vegans, but I'll eat vegan food at times if that's what I go for or if that's what's served by someone. But scarcity will not cause someone to declare themselves vegan IMHO.

Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

nozzlegear wrote: post #17

I’m curious how other vegetarians and vegans feel about eating lab-grown meat? My gut reaction to this is “yuck, meat” [1]. I’ve been following lab-grown meat for a while and haven’t been able to get over this feeling, and for that reason I don’t think I’ll include it in my diet as a vegetarian. Intellectually I know that no animal was killed to produce it, but after going without meat for so long I just find the tho…

I currently don't like the implementation as it relies on FBS, which relies on the unethical practices I became vegetarian (and am becoming vegan) to avoid. The core concept is fine though, and I'd eat it. I didn't make this choice because I hated the taste of meat.

Honestly though, I think vegan meat replacements are pretty much a solved problem already as far as I'm concerned. Between Beyond and Impossible and all the more traditionally made meat substitutes I haven't missed meat in ages.

What I'm really finding difficult to replace, now that I'm trending towards complete veganism, is cheese. Some substitutes work ok in some contexts, but the state of vegan pizza, for instance, is extremely sad.

Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by buzzy_hacker »

nozzlegear wrote: post #17

I’m curious how other vegetarians and vegans feel about eating lab-grown meat? My gut reaction to this is “yuck, meat” [1]. I’ve been following lab-grown meat for a while and haven’t been able to get over this feeling, and for that reason I don’t think I’ll include it in my diet as a vegetarian. Intellectually I know that no animal was killed to produce it, but after going without meat for so long I just find the tho…

I've written about this phenomenon specifically with regard to intuitions and vegetarianism. Our intuitions are from system 1 thinking, which includes (for you and me) "yuck, meat". But those intuitions are downstream from things we have worked out from deliberate system 2 thinking.

So when I went vegetarian, it was very much not from an intuitive repulsion from meat (I loved meat), but from deliberate reasoning (system 2). But now that time has passed, I do have the "yuck, meat" response. It's like when you learn 12 x 12 = 144 for the first time, it takes work and effort. But then it becomes intuitive because you're so used to it, and your brain wants to cache that work.

So I imagine that after you reason about it for long enough (system 2), eventually your intuitions will update (system 1).

Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by nonrepeating »

coolradmab wrote: post #25
nozzlegear wrote: post #17

I’m curious how other vegetarians and vegans feel about eating lab-grown meat? My gut reaction to this is “yuck, meat” [1]. I’ve been following lab-grown meat for a while and haven’t been able to get over this feeling, and for that reason I don’t think I’ll include it in my diet as a vegetarian. Intellectually I know that no animal was killed to produce it, but after going without meat for so long I just find the tho…

lab grown meat is not vegan as it uses FBS ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_bovine_serum ) as a growth media for all mammalian cells

The cell-cultured meat from Upside Foods uses entirely animal-free growth media.

Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by circuit10 »

nozzlegear wrote: post #17

I’m curious how other vegetarians and vegans feel about eating lab-grown meat? My gut reaction to this is “yuck, meat” [1]. I’ve been following lab-grown meat for a while and haven’t been able to get over this feeling, and for that reason I don’t think I’ll include it in my diet as a vegetarian. Intellectually I know that no animal was killed to produce it, but after going without meat for so long I just find the tho…

I’m vegetarian and I’m the same, I guess I don’t really see it as food and I don’t have any desire to eat it

Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by consilient »

coolradmab wrote: post #23
hospitalJail wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When you say extraction, what specifically? Energy? Any specific non-energy resources?

for all mammalian eukaryotic cells ie cow , chicken ,human etc require growth media that contains FBS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_bovine_serum this extracted from the foetus of cattle, otherwise the cells cannot survive outside of the a live mammal. it is not vegan or vegetarian in the slightest

FBS is used because it's versatile, whereas chemically-defined media have to be painstakingly reformulated for different cell lines. It's not a hard requirement.

Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by seneca »

nozzlegear wrote: post #17

I’m curious how other vegetarians and vegans feel about eating lab-grown meat? My gut reaction to this is “yuck, meat” [1]. I’ve been following lab-grown meat for a while and haven’t been able to get over this feeling, and for that reason I don’t think I’ll include it in my diet as a vegetarian. Intellectually I know that no animal was killed to produce it, but after going without meat for so long I just find the tho…

> I’m curious how other vegetarians and vegans feel about eating lab-grown meat? My gut reaction to this is “yuck, meat”.

Interesting. I am very much a meat eater, and my gut reaction to this is "yuck, fake meat".

I am totally fine with vegan burger patties and such because it's simply processed plant materials. It's not close enough to meat for its fakeness to bother me. This lab grown flesh strikes a very specific note of revulsion.

If our two reactions are common, it would seem they're in a worst-of-both-worlds situation.

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