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Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by hospitalJail »

randomdata wrote: post #8
wombat-man wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

vegan meat!

The meat still comes from animals. It does not satisfy the constraints of veganism.

Throw me into whatever category we want to call this.

If 1 animal dies and all of humanity can stop eating meat, I'm happy to do that.

Heck I'd sacrifice myself for such a value.

But it sounds like this is a ~1 time prick of an animal, who could be sedated, and after that, you don't need the animal again.

I want to be vegan because of cruelty, but not eating meat because it came from a pricked animal 1 time in history sounds like a religion.

EDIT: Someone said this, which makes me think its not vegan at all, even with my definition. (Although this would probably put pro-choice vegans in a dilemma)

>for all mammalian eukaryotic cells ie cow , chicken ,human etc require growth media that contains FBS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetal_bovine_serum this extracted from the foetus of cattle, otherwise the cells cannot survive outside of the a live mammal. it is not vegan or vegetarian in the slightest

Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by KeplerBoy »

randomdata wrote: post #8
wombat-man wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

vegan meat!

The meat still comes from animals. It does not satisfy the constraints of veganism.

Does it come from animals or merely from cells similar to those found in animals?

I wonder what the popular opinion among vegans will be. I certainly don't think it's as clear cut. Or maybe the term veganism will fall out of favor in exchange for something like cruelty free.

Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by hospitalJail »

randomdata wrote: post #5
hospitalJail wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the current time, the label is positive marketing. I'd love to have cruelty free meat.

Certainly not cruelty free. Arguably less cruel. The extraction of the resources needed to grow the meat shifts a lot of the cruelty to wild animals, not to mention that you still need barnyard animals involved in the process, but the technology is quite neat so it is definitely positive marketing on that end. Being still less efficient to produce, that marketing will also be necessary to compel the buyer to pay more…

When you say extraction, what specifically?

Energy? Any specific non-energy resources?

Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by randomdata »

hospitalJail wrote: post #11
randomdata wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The meat still comes from animals. It does not satisfy the constraints of veganism.

Throw me into whatever category we want to call this. If 1 animal dies and all of humanity can stop eating meat, I'm happy to do that. Heck I'd sacrifice myself for such a value. But it sounds like this is a ~1 time prick of an animal, who could be sedated, and after that, you don't need the animal again. I want to be vegan because of cruelty, but not eating meat because it came from a pricked animal 1 time in histor…

> If 1 animal dies and all of humanity can stop eating meat, I'm happy to do that.

You still need resources to grow the meat, and many animals will be harmed and killed in the process of extracting those resources. Probably many more animals than would be harmed using traditional meat raising practices as when humans extract resources we like to strip things bare. Other animals tend to be a lot gentler on habitats.

Of course, if you are only concerned about cute, domesticated animals then you may find success here.

Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by gwill »

KeplerBoy wrote: post #12
randomdata wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The meat still comes from animals. It does not satisfy the constraints of veganism.

Does it come from animals or merely from cells similar to those found in animals? I wonder what the popular opinion among vegans will be. I certainly don't think it's as clear cut. Or maybe the term veganism will fall out of favor in exchange for something like cruelty free.

per the article: "making cultured or lab-grown meat starts with extracting cells from an animal’s tissue, be it a pig, cow, chicken, fish, or any other animal that humans deem to be delicious. The cell extraction doesn’t kill or harm the animal."

Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by nozzlegear »

I’m curious how other vegetarians and vegans feel about eating lab-grown meat? My gut reaction to this is “yuck, meat” [1]. I’ve been following lab-grown meat for a while and haven’t been able to get over this feeling, and for that reason I don’t think I’ll include it in my diet as a vegetarian. Intellectually I know that no animal was killed to produce it, but after going without meat for so long I just find the thought of eating it almost repulsive now.

[1] Now I wonder if this is how everyone with a normal omnivore diet reacts to all those plant-based meats.

Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by gwill »

randomdata wrote: post #5
hospitalJail wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the current time, the label is positive marketing. I'd love to have cruelty free meat.

Certainly not cruelty free. Arguably less cruel. The extraction of the resources needed to grow the meat shifts a lot of the cruelty to wild animals, not to mention that you still need barnyard animals involved in the process, but the technology is quite neat so it is definitely positive marketing on that end. Being still less efficient to produce, that marketing will also be necessary to compel the buyer to pay more…

would taking a tissue sample be considered cruelty if they claim it doesn't harm the animal? the article doesn't mention wild animals as well. or do you mean by "extraction of resources" the energy costs of processing?

Re: Lab-Grown Chicken Is Now Legal for Sale in the US

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Post by randomdata »

hospitalJail wrote: post #13
randomdata wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Certainly not cruelty free. Arguably less cruel. The extraction of the resources needed to grow the meat shifts a lot of the cruelty to wild animals, not to mention that you still need barnyard animals involved in the process, but the technology is quite neat so it is definitely positive marketing on that end. Being still less efficient to produce, that marketing will also be necessary to compel the buyer to pay more…

When you say extraction, what specifically? Energy? Any specific non-energy resources?

The meat needs to feed on vitamins and minerals. It is real meat at the end of the day.
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