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Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights at NYC store

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Re: Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights at NYC store

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Let me make this blatantly clear. I am not advocating "shooting up the bosses house", arson, assault, etc. I AM advocating education, by both employees and companies' legal council. Go study your union history. Teach it to colleagues. Understand your rights as non-union worker and union worker. And, unionize. (A company would consider that violent, given how they respond with illegal actions.) And, you'd be surprised…

> Let me make this blatantly clear. I am not advocating "shooting up the bosses house", arson, assault, etc. So what did you mean by "Maybe they should be reminded?" > I AM advocating education, by both employees and companies' legal council. Reminding people of the "history" that violence and terrorism have (occasionally, arguably) been effective still comes across as an implicit threat. If you were advocating viole…

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Re: Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights at NYC store

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Argument makes sense if you conveniently forget it's workers in the first place who created the company's wealth.

Compensation is based on supply and demand. If you're a hardware expert that Apple absolutely must hire, then you made out like a bandit. If you're a retail worker that Apple can replace in a day, then your compensation will reflect that.

That may be how it works but that doesnt make it fair.

Re: Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights at NYC store

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Apple stores started opening in Canada in 2005. This was two years before the introduction of the iPhone.

In like one city maybe. There's a difference between "Started opening" and actually contributing to the success of apple products. I'd bet apple sells many many many more products that they get apple store traffic.

They do now. However, iPhone sales through cell phone companies didn't start until 2007 when Apple teamed up with AT&T. A lot of their success with the iPhone started with how people experienced their products through their stores. Saying that their stores did not contribute to the success of the company would be absurd.

Re: Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights at NYC store

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Compensation is based on supply and demand. If you're a hardware expert that Apple absolutely must hire, then you made out like a bandit. If you're a retail worker that Apple can replace in a day, then your compensation will reflect that.

That may be how it works but that doesnt make it fair.

What would be more fair?

Re: Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights at NYC store

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Walmart is infamous for shutting down stores that unionize. This can be particularly devastating to the community because Walmart's whole schtick is to wipe out every other business in the area through "dumping" - flooding the market with stuff sold at a loss until they drive the other companies out of business. So not only do a lot of people in town / the county lose their jobs, but they lose the only place to shop…

Seems like the best game-theoretic strategy for small towns, would be to unionize whatever particular type of retail worker Walmart uses in advance , as a prophylactic to prevent Walmart from ever coming to town.

That will be brilliant. And transparent management of unions will be essential.

Re: Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights at NYC store

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That may be how it works but that doesnt make it fair.

What would be more fair?

Establishing a workplace democracy. Which means a workers council to decide of wages, future goals, managers abd everything related to the life and labor within the workplace. Just like a regular parliament in a regular democracy.

Re: Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights at NYC store

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This completely ignores globalization and the fact it was geopolitics that took the jobs away.

The unions were instrumental in getting the people pushing globalism elected.

Hardly. Labor Unions were against immigration and globalization and demanded tariffs to protect US industries. Chavez was prolific in his anti-immigration arguments. It was the capital holders who pushed globalization, outsourcing and mass immigration.

Re: Apple's union-busting practices violated employee rights at NYC store

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What would be more fair?

Establishing a workplace democracy. Which means a workers council to decide of wages, future goals, managers abd everything related to the life and labor within the workplace. Just like a regular parliament in a regular democracy.

Sounds like European unions that sit on the board. Yet European wages are lower.

You sure you want that?

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