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Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by ziml77 »

bilekas wrote: post #357

What really bothers me about the coverage of this, and I'm not totally anti media etc, was that nobody mentioned on the fact that the tracking system lost contact also. It was only mentioned that the communications was lost, if there had of been media mentioning that the tracking device also lost contact, I think a lot of people would have recognised straight await that it was a critical collapse. No deep gauge devic…

I just saw an interview with James Cameron about the incident and he said from the info he had it was clear that the vessel suffered a catastrophic implosion. He says he stayed silent on the matter because it wasn't his place to say anything contrary to what the search teams were saying, but he was upset that the families were being given false hope.

And I certainly agree that it was terrible for the search team to manage to both give the families hope and make them even more worried at the idea of their loved ones suffering.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by buggythebug »

politician wrote: post #54
buggythebug wrote: post #35

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Ya but even so they could have sent rescue ships there because "we think it could be here" - nothing given up.

It gives up bounds on how fast we can locate something.

or don't announce anything and just find it

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by f38zf5vdt »

4ad wrote: post #893
pests wrote: post #629

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> turning all organic matter to ash Is this actually true? I see it being repeated everywhere but there is a lot of mass in a human body. Can 100 milliseconds of "ignition" (as you put it) really burn off all of that?

No, it is not true at all. Heat conduction velocity is independent of the temperature gradient. It would only affect a very shallow layer of the skin. The gas can heat to thousands of degrees but there isn't much energy in it. It wouldn't do much damage by itself. The sudden change in pressure causes the majority of the destructions through purely mechanical effects.

A truly HN discussion -- what percentage of the occupants would be ash and what percentage of the occupants would be molecularly sheared viscous people fluid that rapidly disperses. The oxygen tank would rupture and provide an ignition source too.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by tim333 »

hawk_ wrote: post #206

I am curious how we (the society) justify the shared costs incurred in searching for people involved in such a reckless mission.

The will of the people. I'm sure most of the taxpayers who will end up footing the bill would want the rescue attempt here.

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Post by joezydeco »

mulmen wrote: post #852
housemusicfan wrote: post #847

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This is the attitude you need to give birth to truly innovative ideas like a Bluetooth controller attached to the desktop PC that controlled his hunk of shit submarine that killed everyone on board. He proudly describes it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClkytJa0ghc

Does he ever explain why carbon fiber and bluetooth were improvements over working technology?

Is it possible that you can keep the carbon fiber hull as a solid piece with no penetrations, making it more watertight?

I kind of envision this craft as being a sealed capsule full of humans with all the propulsion equipment and batteries strapped to the outside and controlled wirelessly from the inside. But I haven't seen a full diagram of how Oceangate worked. Like, how did CO2 get scrubbed from the cabin?

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Post by tim333 »

cpleppert wrote: post #173
NotYourLawyer wrote: post #119

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Carbon fiber seems like a weird choice for this application anyway because its big advantage is in its tensile strength compared to its weight. Here, it’s in compression, not tension. And its light weight doesn’t matter.

Carbon fiber is a lot easier to work with than metal in this case because welding metal creates failure points. I don't think they could afford building a titanium pressure vessel. Weight is a factor too, carbon fiber is lighter so you can make the pressure vessel thicker and still have enough buoyancy to reach the surface(probably a good thing). From their perspective it kinda made sense even though its not safe at…

Plain old steel seems to work and I'd imagine would be better given most subs are made of it. The Deepsea Challenger was made with 2.5 inch thick walls and went to 3x the depth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepsea_Challenger

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Post by bdowling »

mulmen wrote: post #730
YLYvYkHeB2NRNT wrote: post #711

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The cynic in me whispers that the alphabet media were told what really happened, but said, wait a minute... We can milk this. Here's the narrative for the next few days...

That doesn't make you a cynic, it makes you a conspiracy theorist.

Being a conspiracy theorist doesn’t make you wrong, it means you believe that the likely motivations or interests of various parties are likely the actual cause of the observed behavior, even when there is no proof.

Here, news outlets probably would have been motivated to carry the “hope” story even if they knew it was false, because money. A conspiracy theorist would believe that because the news outlets probably would have been so motivated, then they probably actually were so motivated.

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Post by maximilianburke »

lsh123 wrote: post #767
carabiner wrote: post #708

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Just fucking insane. In aerospace everyone knows that when a crack starts, IT'S OVER. Crack propagation is extremely rapid after that once nucleation has occurred. Your only hope is to prevent nucleation sites in the first place. Except it's extremely hard to characterize fatigue limits without tons of testing and even for metals there is wide variation for identical parts, not even getting into composites. Which of…

Not quite true. Stop drilling is commonly used on airplanes: http://o-si-sec.com/2018/10/11/5-facts-to-know-about-stop-dr...

Stop drilling is only used in metallic structures, not in composites.

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Post by animal531 »

bilekas wrote: post #357

What really bothers me about the coverage of this, and I'm not totally anti media etc, was that nobody mentioned on the fact that the tracking system lost contact also. It was only mentioned that the communications was lost, if there had of been media mentioning that the tracking device also lost contact, I think a lot of people would have recognised straight await that it was a critical collapse. No deep gauge devic…

I just watched the James Cameron clip and he mentioned that he heard on Monday that both were lost simultaneously. For those that don't know, the tracking system runs in its own environment with its own battery, so if both are lost then that means its 99% an implosion.

He also mentioned that they reached out to civ/military nets and confirmed the noise event.

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Post by cycrutchfield »

paganel wrote: post #912
cycrutchfield wrote: post #255

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What a ghoulish take

The ghoulish take are the 110,000 deaths of despair recorded in the US between February 2021 and February of 2022. The ghoulish take is this 19-year old kid from Chicago [2], definitely not a billionaire's son, saying how most of his friends and male acquaintances are usually gone by the age of 21. [1] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/rising-physical-p... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycOUwMJmTVM&t=13…

Any other non sequiturs you would like to add?
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