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Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by Chris2048 »

kossTKR wrote: post #887
methodical wrote: post #315

Besides the "what about this other accident with 500 victims!!!", "these people are dumb", and the "look how they ignored safety!" comments, I can't help but be amazed at how events like this make people crawl out of the woodworks spouting complete falsities as if they're facts. I've seen so many boneheaded comments over the last few days that I don't even know how to list all of them out, from people saying that Tit…

Comments about years of ignoring safety are not stupid, neither are comments comparing to other more working-class tragedies. You use an idiom comparing people to insects crawling fourth from woodwork like some master of science laughing at the plebs. That said of course lots of stupid stuff is said, it's the internet, but your comment is just as stupid which is pretty funny.

They actual said "besides" those comments, meaning "other than".

Also, "crawling from the woodwork" is an idiom in common usage: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/come-cra...

It's not literally comparing people to insects, or implying that, even though it has a disapproving tone.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by istjohn »

userbinator wrote: post #660
tptacek wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand it: the pressure vessel was full of air, and at the moment it failed, that air-filled space became the equivalent of the cylinder of a 2-stroke engine, instantly heating as the air compressed.

You probably meant diesel engine. The compression pressure of those is around 300-500psi, and that's sufficient to heat the air to a few hundred degrees and ignite the injected fuel. For comparison, what happened in this sub was 10x that pressure. (Yes, 2-stroke diesels also exist, and sound absolutely amazing.)

Ignoring inertia (the water hammer effect), the air would reach 38,000 F, four times the temperature on the surface of the sun.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by js8 »

krisoft wrote: post #499
js8 wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Forgiveness. We frequently forgive stupid a5es, and adopt regulations to prevent other a5es causing too much damage. It was Jesus' message, after all.

You can easily find 10 people in any metropolis who are down on their luck. Spending the equivalent amount of resources on those 10 people you could achieve a lasting positive impact on their lives. Why not spend the money on those 10 people? Did Jesus teach us that a5es in submarines are more valuable than a5es in an ER or sleeping in an underpass?

> Did Jesus teach us that a5es in submarines are more valuable than a5es in an ER or sleeping in an underpass?

No, and that's not what I am saying. The poor people you mention deserve help or assistance, not forgiveness, they did nothing wrong. You're making a categorical error, I think. Forgiveness is a separate deal from charity or inclusion or equality. We forgive actions, not living conditions.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by kzrdude »

mattacular wrote: post #535
bilekas wrote: post #357

What really bothers me about the coverage of this, and I'm not totally anti media etc, was that nobody mentioned on the fact that the tracking system lost contact also. It was only mentioned that the communications was lost, if there had of been media mentioning that the tracking device also lost contact, I think a lot of people would have recognised straight await that it was a critical collapse. No deep gauge devic…

Based on accounts of previous voyages it didn't sound like it had a tracking system. They relied on text communication with a ship topside for navigation (and got lost for several hours on a past voyage - while still in communication with the operators).

Host ship was doing their navigation for them, they must have had some tracking to be able to do that I think

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by hotpotamus »

eBombzor wrote: post #757
hotpotamus wrote: post #437

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Randall Munroe probably said it best, "You would just stop being biology and start being physics."

I'm definitely going to hell for laughing at that.

I thought it was actually a rather polite way of saying that the forces involved are just way beyond anything in normal human experience.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by nakedneuron »

I can't help but thinking about how tempting it must be for a person who is willing to end their life to perish in an blink of an eye (Germanwings Flight 9525 comes to mind).

I also wonder if it was the ideal place for Mr.Titanic to rest his bones. He surely was used to having a small gun on his numerous subsea expeditions in order to avoid a miserable end in case of being trapped. Maybe that was indeed the perfect plan after an adventurous life like his certainly was.

Not wanting to come off as impious. However, I know I am..

Also some inspirational title... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wreck_of_the_Titan:_Or,_Fu... His wife died some years ago.

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Post by Aerbil313 »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #885
mulmen wrote: post #829

The most troubling thing about this to me is Stockton Rush’s cavalier attitude toward ageism [1]. In considering young college graduates as uniquely “inspirational” he set them up for a lifetime of guilt. I don’t think age or race has any place in inspirational calculus. I’m uncomfortable with how comfortably he dismisses submariner veterans as “old white guys”. Engineering is a discipline that requires experience an…

In a discussion with a work colleague, we agreed on the hope that out of this incident comes an increase in respect for "proper" engineering, maintenance, safety considerations; don't just remove Chesterton's fence because it's your way - it's in your way to slow you down and force you to look at something other than the obvious.

It’s almost like an abstract self-correction algorithm: Safety practices in the industry will always be just a bit above the emotional tolerance of average person to average incident.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by Aerbil313 »

Dalewyn wrote: post #855
mulmen wrote: post #829

The most troubling thing about this to me is Stockton Rush’s cavalier attitude toward ageism [1]. In considering young college graduates as uniquely “inspirational” he set them up for a lifetime of guilt. I don’t think age or race has any place in inspirational calculus. I’m uncomfortable with how comfortably he dismisses submariner veterans as “old white guys”. Engineering is a discipline that requires experience an…

>This is a lesson the entire tech industry would do well to meditate on. This is a lesson everyone in the business of making things would do well to meditate on. Age and skin color, let alone sex, don't a good product make. It's whether the people involved have what it takes to make a good product. OceanGate clearly did not have what it takes, even if they did check all the proper identity boxes.

> Age and skin color, let alone sex, don't a good product make.

Is this “don’t a good product make” considered (maybe not official grammar but) “right” English grammar? I’m not a native.

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