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Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by jacquesm »

j-a-a-p wrote: post #279
Certhas wrote: post #187

It is notable how much news-coverage this received (for understandable reasons [1]) relative to the almost simultaneous disaster in the Mediterranean [2], where a shipwreck killed hundreds of people. [1] What springs to mind: Dramatic search action well suited for live blog coverage; psychological impact of the idea of people stranded in a submarine for days; And of course the average person here is probably a lot cl…

Also the coastguards were tripping over each other to save these 5 men, while for the refugees the speculation is if the coastguard contributed to the wrecking.

Whose speculation?

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by j-a-a-p »

SirMaster wrote: post #171

What I don't understand is, if it imploded, why didn't the boat hear the implosion? Surely that would be really loud. Louder than the 15 min audio ping that the boat is normally listening for.

I would be surprised if the supporting vessel would have heard (were they listening?) or recognised that. Probably from the data from other hydrophones somebody will write an article on this sooner or later.

I can't imagine it was loud: vessel was tiny, and the energy will reduce at the order of 3 quite a bit at 4 km distance. I can imagine it would be detectable with the right equipment and that this equipment is installed in the Atlantic.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by _Algernon_ »

renewiltord wrote: post #202

Well, that's a conclusion that I suppose many expected. It's rather tragic, yeah. What I can't say I expected is the gleeful tone from: - class warfare enthusiasts because the passengers were rich - regulation enthusiasts because the pilot espoused weakening them You'll see this online when a pedestrian or cyclist gets hit by a driver (along with "right of way doesn't mean anything when you're dead!" and "was he wear…

This occurred only a couple of days after a migrant boat sank in the Mediterranean, with probably 500 people dead. The people on the Titan signed a waiver that mentioned the risk of death three times on the first page. They knew the risk and chose to take it with informed consent.

The fact of the matter is that this entire story is way overblown by the news, and many people die of much more tragic (and not self-inflicted) causes every day. Give these people their Darwin awards, and let's move on.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by crazygringo »

bilekas wrote: post #357

What really bothers me about the coverage of this, and I'm not totally anti media etc, was that nobody mentioned on the fact that the tracking system lost contact also. It was only mentioned that the communications was lost, if there had of been media mentioning that the tracking device also lost contact, I think a lot of people would have recognised straight await that it was a critical collapse. No deep gauge devic…

Can you expand? To a layman like myself, tracking is part of communications and it seemed clear there was no tracking because they didn't know where the sub was.

What is the specific type of tracking device you're referring to? What signals does it emit? And if overall power was lost, for example, why wouldn't the tracking stop just like communications stopped?

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Post by lm28469 »

stef25 wrote: post #379
lm28469 wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And of course the average person here is probably a lot closer to taking a holiday trip in a submersible than to taking a refugee boat across the Mediterranean. My opinion is the complete opposite, I think it has more coverage because it's a feel good event for 90% of the world who absolutely despise rich fucks in that specific part of the dumb X rich venn diagram I haven't seen a single post about how sad the sub…

It's not so much stupidity as knowingly embarking on a dangerous adventure for the purpose of fun, basically. Someone who took the trip before said they had to sign a waver which mentioned death multiple times. It's like climbing Everest, walking to the north pole, commercial space flights, base jumping etc. The med disaster was people embarking on a dangerous "adventure" out of what they perceived as being a necessi…

This all feels like a parody to be honest, at least previous explorers were.... exploring

Now people _pay_ to be carried on the Everest, pay for a ticket to space, pay for a ticket to the titanic, &c. There is nothing left so they fight for the crumbs, looking for the next dumbest idea on the list

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by scotty79 »

Certhas wrote: post #187

It is notable how much news-coverage this received (for understandable reasons [1]) relative to the almost simultaneous disaster in the Mediterranean [2], where a shipwreck killed hundreds of people. [1] What springs to mind: Dramatic search action well suited for live blog coverage; psychological impact of the idea of people stranded in a submarine for days; And of course the average person here is probably a lot cl…

It's a better story. Story of punished hubris of the rich who disregard everybody including experts.

While another refugee boat sunk is just that.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by stef25 »

sandworm101 wrote: post #217
timeon wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with your observation but Mediterranean disaster had coverage since last week at least in European news I am following. This accident will also soon disappear from the news since we now know the fate.

How many rescue ships were deployed to the med incident? How many to the titanic? The victims/ships ratio demonstrates that one garnered exponentially more government attention.

> one garnered exponentially more government attention

It wouldn't be surprising that some of those rescue ships were funded by the families of the victims, considering the size of their bank accounts.

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Post by pwthornton »

EA-3167 wrote: post #7
ak_111 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it more likely that it immediately imploded rather than after a few days? The latter is more probable to me as it has never been tested under water for more than a few hours at a stretch. This will also be consistent with your banging hypothesis which was only heard after a day or two when it got lost. And also with the fact that no immediate sound disturbance was registered with the controlling ship. I of cou…

"It imploded right away" explains everything. "It imploded later" requires at least two failures, first of power/comms, and THEN of the structure itself. Occam's Razor

And in this case, the sub had systems for resurfacing even if power was lost (including automatically after a set amount of time). It's highly improbable that it was astray for days before it imploded. The only way this could have happened is if it somehow got stuck on part of the Titanic wreckage and was unable to free itself.

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Post by meepmorp »

deanc wrote: post #305
lamontcg wrote: post #58

Well that's better than slowly asphyxiating or dying of hypothermia, probably didn't even know what hit them.

Can someone walk me through what would have happened, physically, to a human body in the moment this happened. I’m curious. Similar to wondering what happens to people in space.

Imagine you're inside an empty beer can as it's being run over by a car, but from all directions at once.

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Post by dralley »

tromp wrote: post #388
Hamuko wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He seemed especially proud about combining titanium and carbon fibre against the advice of others, which seems to now have been in a pretty active role in the demise of the Titan. > "I'd like to be remembered as an innovator. I think it was General MacArthur who said "you're remembered for the rules you break." And I've broken some rules to make this. I think I've broken them with logic and good engineering behind me…

Serotta did too when making this bike: https://www.bigshark.com/articles/serotta-road-bikes-pg318.h...

There is a rather large difference between a road bike and a vessel that needs to withstand the pressures of being 4000 meters underneath the ocean.
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