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Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”

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Post by soneil »

Dave_TRS wrote: post #32
andrewmunsell wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's obvious differences between the Oceangate sub and this (1 atm difference, this is a thinner steel(?) railroad tanker not a sub), but I think it effectively demonstrates how violent and quick an implosion would be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz95_VvTxZM Video contents: An experiment where the vacuum safety valves were removed from an oil tanker railroad car, and a vacuum was placed inside the car, resulti…

Interesting a commenter on the video notes the pressure there is equivalent to only 10 meters underwater. Imagine the force 2 miles below

10 meters of water is one atmosphere, so they're right - 0 on the inside and 1 on the outside is a pressure differential of one atmosphere.

"almost 4000 meters of water" is "almost 400 atmospheres". About 2.7 tons per square inch. I find that that absolutely unimaginable. - I can't find any equivalence that my brain can make sense of.

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Post by Solvency »

ilyt wrote: post #85
fnord77 wrote: post #28

wonder if the window imploded or the whole thing just crushed like a soda can experiment

It's carbon fiber. It doesn't break like soda can, it breaks like eggshells or hard plastic. It would probably look like something exploded on side of it, when any small hole/crack started it would just isntantly make rest of it rip till the pressure equalizes

Empty eggshells implode into thousands of increasingly smaller little shards. Is that what happened here?

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Post by babypuncher »

ilyt wrote: post #105
WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #90

Almost as interesting as this story has been the comments online. Everyone, everywhere just parroting and re-parroting the same comments, attitude, pretending to understand the engineering with snippets from comments they’ve read, reactive talking points, etc… Very strange. Did anyone else feel like an alien following this story online?

And weird focus on that fucking gamepad that they were using, which was probably the least of engineering problems

The type of gamepad is important.

It was a cheap third party Xbox controller. i.e. it's the spare controller you made your friend use when he came over to play Halo 2 that one time.

Nobody thought the gamepad was the actual cause of failure. They thought the gamepad was funny in the context of Stockton Rush cutting corners.

Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”

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Post by soneil »

jamiek88 wrote: post #107
salawat wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets put it this way. If it was structurally compromised, the implosion would be so fast, a combustion event a la what happens in diesel engines would have occurred. There would be no bodies. There would only be shreds of pressure hull. The titanium hemispheres may have maintained their shape. There is a slight chance it may have been a pinhole leak, and someone had a second to go "Uh..." before the rest of the struc…

Update: they found the two ends. Implying the middle carbon fiber imploded.

Not finding the CF cylinder really does seem like the most telling part here. Given they've found the front, the back, and the bottom, you'd think the single largest component would be laying around in the same area. Unless ..

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Post by TechBro8615 »

jollyllama wrote: post #120
TechBro8615 wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For context, some numbers I saw estimated the implosion would take about 1ms, and it takes about 25ms for signals to travel from nerve endings to the brain.

So what you're saying is, there is a reliable means of death that is, in all likelihood, more humane than any practiced by states with capital punishment?

It's a good question, I was wondering the same. Do we even have any sort of artificial means for generating that kind of pressure? I suppose we could drop someone into a trash compactor, but it might be difficult to convince people that's more humane than a simple injection, even if it technically is.

Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”

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Post by 101008 »

Dave_TRS wrote: post #32
andrewmunsell wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's obvious differences between the Oceangate sub and this (1 atm difference, this is a thinner steel(?) railroad tanker not a sub), but I think it effectively demonstrates how violent and quick an implosion would be: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zz95_VvTxZM Video contents: An experiment where the vacuum safety valves were removed from an oil tanker railroad car, and a vacuum was placed inside the car, resulti…

Interesting a commenter on the video notes the pressure there is equivalent to only 10 meters underwater. Imagine the force 2 miles below

I am probably too stupid, but how is that possible? A lot of divers go 10 meters underwater and don't die of pressure, right?

Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”

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Post by [deleted] »

jamiek88 wrote: post #107
salawat wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets put it this way. If it was structurally compromised, the implosion would be so fast, a combustion event a la what happens in diesel engines would have occurred. There would be no bodies. There would only be shreds of pressure hull. The titanium hemispheres may have maintained their shape. There is a slight chance it may have been a pinhole leak, and someone had a second to go "Uh..." before the rest of the struc…

Update: they found the two ends. Implying the middle carbon fiber imploded.

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Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”

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Post by lm28469 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #29
nickff wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did Oceangate or its founder(s) say they intended to 'move fast and break things', or are you just imputing that they held those beliefs? The company purported to "maintain[] high-level operational safety".

> Metro reports that last year, when asked about the safety of the Titan submersible, Stockton Rush, OceanGate’s CEO, said, “You know, there’s a limit. At some point safety just is pure waste. I mean if you just want to be safe, don’t get out of bed. Don’t get in your car. Don’t do anything. At some point, you’re going to take some risk, and it really is a risk/reward question. I think I can do this just as safely by…

> it really is a risk/reward question

risk: die

reward: cool pic on instagram

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