Move fast, break things, ignore safety protocols :-(
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Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”
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#102Regarding the quality issues of the submarine "Mechanic on ‘record-setting’ Titan dive dismisses criticism from ‘armchair experts’" https://news.yahoo.com/mechanic-record-setting-titan-dive-19...
Well it turns out he was wrong and the "armchair experts" were right. Though insinuating all critics were "armchair experts" is pretty disingenuous. There were plenty of real experts raising serious safety concerns, including the guy who got fired for not approving manned test dives because of them. If there was a strong consenus among real experts that this thing was safe, then they would have had no trouble getting…
"Mathioudakis said that the safety concerns raised by the two former OceanGate employees in 2018, as well as the letter from industry leaders, were "before the extensive testing completed in 2019." He added that OceanGate had responded to those concerns in the past and changed the hull to increase the level of safety."
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Depending on your definition of 'instantly' and 'crushed' yes. Milliseconds, at most.
I think "before realization, fear, or even pain set in" is well within everyone's definition of instant death.
Yes, that was the point. You wouldn't even know what happened. That cargo wagon depressurization and implosion video linked from elsewhere in this thread is a very nice demo, but it only has one atmosphere to work with. And I can't even see the state change on the frame-by-frame, just a very brief hint that something is about to happen (slight deformation), and in the next frame it's all crumpled up and bent.
Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”
#104Sub debris found: The tail cone of the submersible was found approximately 1,600 feet from the bow of the Titanic on the sea floor, the US Coast Guard said Thursday. Officials said it was consistent with a "catastrophic loss of the pressure chamber."
"catastrophic loss of the pressure chamber" is a much better way to die than slowly running out of air in a super cramped container with a bunch of people.
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#105Almost as interesting as this story has been the comments online. Everyone, everywhere just parroting and re-parroting the same comments, attitude, pretending to understand the engineering with snippets from comments they’ve read, reactive talking points, etc… Very strange. Did anyone else feel like an alien following this story online?
And weird focus on that fucking gamepad that they were using, which was probably the least of engineering problems
Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Metro reports that last year, when asked about the safety of the Titan submersible, Stockton Rush, OceanGate’s CEO, said, “You know, there’s a limit. At some point safety just is pure waste. I mean if you just want to be safe, don’t get out of bed. Don’t get in your car. Don’t do anything. At some point, you’re going to take some risk, and it really is a risk/reward question. I think I can do this just as safely by…
You live and learn! Err..
zero out of two
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am wondering the same. Everyone is talking about the rapid implosion of the sub, but can we assume that the bodies just got instantly crushed into nothing?
Lets put it this way. If it was structurally compromised, the implosion would be so fast, a combustion event a la what happens in diesel engines would have occurred. There would be no bodies. There would only be shreds of pressure hull. The titanium hemispheres may have maintained their shape. There is a slight chance it may have been a pinhole leak, and someone had a second to go "Uh..." before the rest of the struc…
Update: they found the two ends.
Implying the middle carbon fiber imploded.
Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”
#108Regarding the quality issues of the submarine "Mechanic on ‘record-setting’ Titan dive dismisses criticism from ‘armchair experts’" https://news.yahoo.com/mechanic-record-setting-titan-dive-19...
Well it turns out he was wrong and the "armchair experts" were right. Though insinuating all critics were "armchair experts" is pretty disingenuous. There were plenty of real experts raising serious safety concerns, including the guy who got fired for not approving manned test dives because of them. If there was a strong consenus among real experts that this thing was safe, then they would have had no trouble getting…
We still don't know what happened, so we don't know who was right.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Probably combusted? At 400 atms their biomass would compress into a gelatinous hydrocarbon fat blob with the oxygen present, resulting in automatic combustion. The amount of compression their bodies would experience is an order of magnitude greater than a diesel engine cylinder. The explosion would immediately be quenched by the surrounding water and the only thing remaining of the occupants would be ash. This would…
When it happened in that accident referred to elsewhere in the thread the water temp was elevated massively in that area (enclosed so measurable). Their blood would combust instantly. They found cooked blood after that accident too. Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byford_Dolphin
That accident was only 132 psi. A diesel engine causes combustion at around 300-500 psi. This accident was 3000-6000 psi, so I think it's safe to assume that the organic matter would combust almost instantly.
Re: Oceangate Statement, “We now believe that [all crew] have sadly been lost.”
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well it turns out he was wrong and the "armchair experts" were right. Though insinuating all critics were "armchair experts" is pretty disingenuous. There were plenty of real experts raising serious safety concerns, including the guy who got fired for not approving manned test dives because of them. If there was a strong consenus among real experts that this thing was safe, then they would have had no trouble getting…
"Mathioudakis said that the safety concerns raised by the two former OceanGate employees in 2018, as well as the letter from industry leaders, were "before the extensive testing completed in 2019." He added that OceanGate had responded to those concerns in the past and changed the hull to increase the level of safety."
Yeah but they kept the window rated to 1300 meters.