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If it did implode in multiple pieces it means the experts were right; many said that carbon fiber was a poor choice because while it's light, it breaks like glass, contrary to steel which tends to "open" slowly.
I felt it was kind of telling that they found the two titanium end caps in the debris field, presumably intact, but only pieces of the pressure hull.
Based on this it seems pretty likely that it immediately imploded and the ‘banging’ was from the Titanic debris itself.
The banging was likely the sound of hundreds of news organizations flogging this story to get more clicks.
Stockton Rush (OceanGate's CEO) was known in the Seattle tech community [0] My understanding (very much not first hand) is that he was seen as an expert in the specific engineering disciplines necessary to safely build and operate deep sea submersibles like Titan. He was also apparently a father to members of the Seattle tech community, who are no doubt grieving at the moment. Please remember that, for some members o…
Not gonna shed a tear given how avoidable this entire tragedy was, and how terribly managed and selected his engineering team was.
I am curious how we (the society) justify the shared costs incurred in searching for people involved in such a reckless mission.
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At least he died doing it and not someone he employed.
It's also probably related to the "launch or die" ecosystem that Y Combinator, Sand Hill investors, and pretty much the entire ecosystem promotes. When was the last time an investor handed an additional $10 million check for 0% to a startup to improve and test their safety systems before launching? Instead their usual mandate is "launch yesterday or die". Which is okay for a SaaS platform or grocery delivery app, but…
You can move fast and innovate in life-critical systems so long as you prioritize the engineering and testing.
I am curious how we (the society) justify the shared costs incurred in searching for people involved in such a reckless mission.
Does the search team/agency simply eat the cost or does the cost get passed back to the insurance for the company, the company itself, or the CEO personally since he has the means to pay. Further, everyone on board has the means to pay for a recovery, should they too share some of the cost?
As to who should share in the cost… my take is that it’s time to discuss whether some expeditions (e.g. risky commercial tourist rides) should sign a Do Not Rescue pledge before they head out and/or self-fund a commercial rescue operation.
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Or half the east coast. The implosion[?] of the ARA San Juan was supposedly heard 6000km away by hydrophones at Ascension Island. ( https://www.ctbto.org/news-and-events/news/ctbto-hydroacoust... ) Or maybe they did and the data hasn't been processed/made public yet.
San Juan was 2300 tons and is made of metal. Titan was 10 tons and mostly made of carbon fibre.
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Ah, I see he's got the 'Elon Musk school of thought' in regards to cutting corners in vehicles carrying people's lives and seeing safety regulations as a nuisance hindering his "visionary progress" that these pesky gray-beard engineers just can't grasp. Fucking idiot CEO, took 4 innocent people with him. Aero, naval, automotive, all have a a history written in blood, and all those rules and regulations aren't to hind…
I support the hate but don’t compare this to Elon Musk, his companies have taken more people more places safer than dozens of other competitors. Tesla is one of the safest car brands to drive, SpaceX has yet to kill or maim anyone.
I am curious how we (the society) justify the shared costs incurred in searching for people involved in such a reckless mission.