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Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Post by hatsunearu »

peepeepoopoo11 wrote: post #62
hatsunearu wrote: post #44

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this "scoffing at safety and regulation" shit being seen as "hip, cool and rebellious" and somehow a desirable trait is actually completely fucking bonkers to me. Careful analysis and engineering to make things as safe as possible and well characterized is incredibly rewarding and satisfying.

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Because they are bringing down the reputation of the whole industry, and potentially the engineering profession as a whole?

If I'm drunk driving and crash my car and killed everyone inside my car, that must be OK for you. The passengers knew their risk by jumping on my car when I'm clearly drunk!

Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Post by olyjohn »

peepeepoopoo11 wrote: post #80
autoexec wrote: post #74

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Yes, who cares if someone killed a child and several other adults by repeatedly ignoring warnings of clear dangers! Why shouldn't people be allowed to experiment with negligence at the cost of human life?

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Do you think that it was presented to them as unsafe?

Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Post by mattbrewsbytes »

throwuwu wrote: post #33
qeternity wrote: post #13

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> when I presume there is camera footage of it available. Not sure if this is sarcasm...

The camera footage is probably better than whatever you could see through a few inches of porthole

Yes that was the intent with my comment. A specialized camera for that depth is going to capture better images than what you'll see thru whatever "window" is on the sub.

Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Post by Zetobal »

2-718-281-828 wrote: post #87
Merad wrote: post #57

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The pressure at that depth is something like 5000 psi. You're literally dead before your brain has time to comprehend what's happening.

not if the leak leaked for an extended period without ripping open ... then pressure would build up very slowly.

You should read up down the properties of carbon fiber

Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Post by hatsunearu »

autoexec wrote: post #69
hatsunearu wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this "scoffing at safety and regulation" shit being seen as "hip, cool and rebellious" and somehow a desirable trait is actually completely fucking bonkers to me. Careful analysis and engineering to make things as safe as possible and well characterized is incredibly rewarding and satisfying.

I agree with you, but I'll admit that I still think bike helmets and safety goggles look stupid. It's much cooler to be safe, but too often it's impossible to look cool while doing it.

In the car hobby, safety gear is often seen as a "flex" item and I think that's wonderful.

That said there's a lot of posers that put unsafe aftermarket safety items (e.g. 4 point belts without a HANS device, roll cages without helmets)

Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Post by anthk »

You save up on money ignoring safety, next you fire the guy who could had saved your life, and finally you suffer disasters ending your life.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/katherinehamilton/2023/06/21/oc...

Money addicts, take notes. This is what happens when you put money cartels before real life physics.

Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Post by _ea1k »

logicalmonster wrote: post #72
just_steve_h wrote: post #25

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> The late CEO of OceanGate told David Pogue last fall, “at some point, safety is just pure waste.” In and of itself, what is actually incorrect about that statement? I think a lot of normal people are going to smugly harp on that statement, but in and of itself it seems perfectly reasonable to believe that there's a diminishing return to safety measures for anything at some point. The issue with this sub thing seems…

> In and of itself, what is actually incorrect about that statement?

+1- the statement as phrased seems to be correct.

The issue here seems to be one of dismissing legitimate safety concerns rather than that statement itself. They quit adding safety before they reached the "pure waste" point.

Re: Debris Field Confirmed as Titan

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Post by aflag »

peepeepoopoo11 wrote: post #80
autoexec wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, who cares if someone killed a child and several other adults by repeatedly ignoring warnings of clear dangers! Why shouldn't people be allowed to experiment with negligence at the cost of human life?

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It's nothing to do with hating billionaires. Presumably they didn't realise how risky the whole thing was. I find it hard to believe that a father was going to put his son in so much danger, if he had realised. We are all working with the assumption that the crew believed that the trip was reasonably safe.
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