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Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by Hamuko »

mcguire wrote: post #209
seattle_anon wrote: post #166

Stockton Rush (OceanGate's CEO) was known in the Seattle tech community [0] My understanding (very much not first hand) is that he was seen as an expert in the specific engineering disciplines necessary to safely build and operate deep sea submersibles like Titan. He was also apparently a father to members of the Seattle tech community, who are no doubt grieving at the moment. Please remember that, for some members o…

He's also on record as saying things like, " It's obscenely safe because they have all these regulations. But it also hasn't innovated or grown — because they have all these regulations. " ( https://www.insider.com/titan-submarine-ceo-complained-about... )

He seemed especially proud about combining titanium and carbon fibre against the advice of others, which seems to now have been in a pretty active role in the demise of the Titan.

>"I'd like to be remembered as an innovator. I think it was General MacArthur who said "you're remembered for the rules you break." And I've broken some rules to make this. I think I've broken them with logic and good engineering behind me. The carbon fibre and the titanium, there's a rule you don't do that. Well, I did."

https://www.reddit.com/r/titanic/comments/14ekh3r/stockton_r...

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by fnord77 »

so let's say you're in an implosion event at 5000 ft.

Do you feel it? The brain stays alive for 20 seconds after your heart stops. I would imagine your skull doesn't get crushed because fluids are only a tiny bit compressible with that much pressure

I imagine your ribcage would collapse, stopping your heart immediately

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by nyolfen »

dheera wrote: post #196
soperj wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least he died doing it and not someone he employed.

It's also probably related to the "launch or die" ecosystem that Y Combinator, Sand Hill investors, and pretty much the entire ecosystem promotes. When was the last time an investor handed an additional $10 million check for 0% to a startup to improve and test their safety systems before launching? Instead their usual mandate is "launch yesterday or die". Which is okay for a SaaS platform or grocery delivery app, but…

true, i've never heard of issues with the engineering of a submarine produced under socialism

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by olalonde »

Certhas wrote: post #187

It is notable how much news-coverage this received (for understandable reasons [1]) relative to the almost simultaneous disaster in the Mediterranean [2], where a shipwreck killed hundreds of people. [1] What springs to mind: Dramatic search action well suited for live blog coverage; psychological impact of the idea of people stranded in a submarine for days; And of course the average person here is probably a lot cl…

It's just that experimental submarines vanishing on their way to the Titanic are much more unusual and intriguing than boating accidents. There was also an element of suspense since the fate of the sub was unknown (similar to flight MH370).

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by asynchronous »

codetrotter wrote: post #224
Certhas wrote: post #187

It is notable how much news-coverage this received (for understandable reasons [1]) relative to the almost simultaneous disaster in the Mediterranean [2], where a shipwreck killed hundreds of people. [1] What springs to mind: Dramatic search action well suited for live blog coverage; psychological impact of the idea of people stranded in a submarine for days; And of course the average person here is probably a lot cl…

> the average person here is probably a lot closer to taking a holiday trip in a submersible than to taking a refugee boat across the Mediterranean There is no way in hell I would pay $250k to board a janky-ass sub going deep into the ocean. For $250k, I could buy a nice house for me, my girlfriend and our future family. And even that is not possible yet. Because I don’t have that kind of money.

Reminder too that literally everyone is one country-ending catastrophic event away from being on a refugee boat

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by dboreham »

moneywoes wrote: post #188
carlosdp wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sub had 7 redundant ways to surface (drop weights / ballast), several of which work without power, and one of which triggers automatically after ~20 hrs of exposure to seawater. The only way it wouldn't have already surfaced on day 1 is if it got stuck on something ( and lost power, unlikely), or it imploded.

What I don’t get is what factors could have caused it to implode now when it didn’t previously?

Material failure after a certain number of stress cycles.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by japhyr »

ak_111 wrote: post #4
ClassicOrgin wrote: post #2

Based on this it seems pretty likely that it immediately imploded and the ‘banging’ was from the Titanic debris itself.

Why is it more likely that it immediately imploded rather than after a few days? The latter is more probable to me as it has never been tested under water for more than a few hours at a stretch. This will also be consistent with your banging hypothesis which was only heard after a day or two when it got lost. And also with the fact that no immediate sound disturbance was registered with the controlling ship. I of cou…

> Why is it more likely that it immediately imploded rather than after a few days?

Weren't there a lot of boats and other resources listening once it was reported missing?

It's one thing for the tender to not hear an implosion when no one else was following this excursion. It seems harder to explain no one hearing an implosion when a growing number of resources were trying to detect any signs of activity from the sub.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by can16358p »

popey wrote: post #81
can16358p wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope; banging was officially announced in the press conference of the search and rescue team. Though they could not confirm that it was really the sub (they probably thought that it was, but they can't officially say it).

I think your sarcasm detector has developed a fault.

Yeah, I was just too focused into the event to think properly... and even the sounds were apparently not it anyway.

Re: Debris found came from missing Titan sub, says friend of passengers

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Post by civilitty »

rrrrrrrrrrrryan wrote: post #230
PartiallyTyped wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something about tragedies, and something about statistics... But there's also the concern of frequency, [2] occurs more frequent than [1], people generally don't care about the people at [2] because they are "unimportant", and not prominent in any way. They are background characters on the other side of the world for many, they are not well dressed, they do not perform functions with significant influence on the broa…

The comparison between these two stories is being made (elsewhere on the Internet) because humans were literally still being found and fished out of the Mediterranean, alive, while entire nation states mobilized to try to rescue a few wreckless rich guys who were likely already dead. The point being made is about misallocation of resources, not news coverage. (Novel stories will always grab more attention.)

> while entire nation states mobilized

Who?

The US Navy/Coast Guard sending an ultra deepwater ROV isn't even comparable to the Greeks actively monitoring the boat enough to take a photo of it before it capsized, let alone is anyone mobilizing "entire nation states"

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