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The Forgotten Founder: A Silicon Valley Tale of Humiliation and Revenge

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Re: The Forgotten Founder: A Silicon Valley Tale of Humiliation and Revenge

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Did anyone else get the impression that this guy is a major slime ball? I'm sure YouSendIt has issues at the top, and it does sound like Kumaran may be a little glory hungry.

But when you happily engage in vengeful DDOS attacks, shitty app spam, and flip apparently stolen websites, it paints a pretty clear picture of your character. I know I sure wouldn't want a guy like Shaikh working for me. Not in a million years.

Re: The Forgotten Founder: A Silicon Valley Tale of Humiliation and Revenge

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It seems to me that the lesson to learn here is to be careful about agreeing to vesting. Pre-series A, the three founders owned most [1] of a company which had a $6M pre-money valuation and was "on track to hit $1M in revenue" for the year. Post-series A, they each owned less than 3% of the company outright, with the rest of their shares vesting over four years [2]. What sort of idiot takes a deal which reduces them from owning stock valued at $1.5M to owning stock valued at $300k and an employment contract which gives them $300k/year of stock if they stay at the company?

Obviously if you're running out of runway, you take whatever terms you can get, since your company is worthless if it goes bankrupt; but if your company is profitable and your only concern is about allowing it to grow faster, why the heck would you take a deal which is practically begging your investors to fire you?

[1] We're not told how much Cambrian Ventures took, but for $250k it presumably wasn't a huge amount. I'm going to arbitrarily guess 25%.

[2] Based on the way the numbers work out, I'm guessing they kept 20% of their stock outright and gave back the remaining 80% to be four-year vested. This fits with the fact that the company was about a year old when they took the funding.

Re: The Forgotten Founder: A Silicon Valley Tale of Humiliation and Revenge

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Oh, how I wish it were mandatory for everyone to include a "view as single page" button, instead of planting a bunch of tiny clickable digits at the bottom. These days it happens more and more often that I will not read an article if I can't get it into Instapaper.

It's not the split that's annoying, it's the delay when the page refreshes. If only advertisers and media companies could agree to pre-load articles like in a slide-show, show new pages with javascript, and that each 'next-page' click counts as a refresh.

Re: The Forgotten Founder: A Silicon Valley Tale of Humiliation and Revenge

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Thanks for the read and ditto on the 5 pages needing to be viewable in just 1 page.

The full article is close to 100 paragraphs. Putting that all on one page would intimidate and lose a bunch of readers. Even choosing to put 15-20 paragraphs on a single page makes it a "wall of text" that will put off many readers. Of course, the real problem is the short attention span of the Internet age but it's hard to fault them for trying to avoid scaring off users.

The only reason to post the article on multiple pages is to expose readers to more ads.

Re: The Forgotten Founder: A Silicon Valley Tale of Humiliation and Revenge

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Ecellent read because it provides an alternate (and ugly) perspective of the often glorified (read techcrunch-ified) world of startups in the Valley.

Shaikh has obviously made some big mistakes but take a minute to feel for the guy. He literally bled for the company to save some money so I can imagine the emotional rollercoaster he must have been on.

Well written piece Inc.

Re: The Forgotten Founder: A Silicon Valley Tale of Humiliation and Revenge

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It seems to me that the lesson to learn here is to be careful about agreeing to vesting. Pre-series A, the three founders owned most [1] of a company which had a $6M pre-money valuation and was "on track to hit $1M in revenue" for the year. Post-series A, they each owned less than 3% of the company outright, with the rest of their shares vesting over four years [2]. What sort of idiot takes a deal which reduces them…

I don't know... You should probably subject everyone to vesting everyone at incorporation - to keep people from ditching early with a huge slug of equity. Good investors know this, and will often rightfully insist on some sort of vesting reset - depending on circumstances. It doesn't make you an idiot to take that deal. It makes you a part of the VC machine. It's just how it works.

That said, I've seen people raise (smaller amounts) of money without any vesting provisions at all (i.e. the founders owned their shares outright). That, to my way of thinking, makes the investor the idiot.

EDIT: I don't mean to imply that resets are a given. Only that they make sense in certain situations, both for founders and investors. There is no "standard", but there are "ways things are often done" for a reason.

Re: The Forgotten Founder: A Silicon Valley Tale of Humiliation and Revenge

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post #17

Ecellent read because it provides an alternate (and ugly) perspective of the often glorified (read techcrunch-ified) world of startups in the Valley. Shaikh has obviously made some big mistakes but take a minute to feel for the guy. He literally bled for the company to save some money so I can imagine the emotional rollercoaster he must have been on. Well written piece Inc.

I thought the bleeding part was gratuitous pseudo-symbolism. I cut myself fixing the washing machine the other day, but I would never say "I literally bled for the cause of clean clothes."

Re: The Forgotten Founder: A Silicon Valley Tale of Humiliation and Revenge

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Did anyone else get the impression that this guy is a major slime ball? I'm sure YouSendIt has issues at the top, and it does sound like Kumaran may be a little glory hungry. But when you happily engage in vengeful DDOS attacks, shitty app spam, and flip apparently stolen websites, it paints a pretty clear picture of your character. I know I sure wouldn't want a guy like Shaikh working for me. Not in a million years.

Ditto. The guy bled for the company yeah, but the reason why I feel sympathy for him is not because he was kicked out despite working so hard. Even though he might have bled for the company and worked with executives with questionable integrity and technical appreciation, he deserved to be kicked out as soon as he stole the switches and put them up on eBay.

No, the reason why I feel sympathy for this guy is that he was so socially inept that he couldn't figure out how to talk with other people, build business relationships, build team relationships, and manage others without being a two-faced jerk (don't take it personally, Mahler, I want to prove to Koon that I care only about success and will sacrifice anyone for it?). The guy was just too out of his element for the battles he needed to face.

He may have been technically very good, despite being socially awkward, and some jerks may have taken advantage of that. But that in no way justifies or accommodates the bad decisions he made. He's essentially taking the stance that two wrongs make a right, and so I think he has a really poor sense of right and wrong.

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