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I must be missing something very obvious here. Why does my C compiler need a code of conduct?
Your C compiler is the result of a committee of hundreds, if not thousands of people; every line of code used is the result of collaboration, with the actual line of code being an implementation detail. You can't have a product like this without its community, and you can't have a community without rules.
Being hateful, insulting, or otherwise offensive is not a big deal if we can still work along. These stupid "codes of conduct" make civilization impossible. Worse, they force the language to be boringly insipid.
Like with many things, the devil is in the details. Many people seem to have had some bad experience with a moderator and are blaming it on a CoC. Whether a CoC exists or not, it's down to the moderators to be fair and professional. So don't blame the CoC, when you should instead be blaming individuals.
Overall it seems like a pretty decent CoC. Altough, I am REALLY not a fan of this line: "In addition, violations of this code outside these spaces may affect a person's ability to participate within them." I fear that that stipulation will be used to try and kick out people for holding "bad" opinions outside of the project. Like what was tried with Elia Schito.
One of the landmarks of civilization is that people who utterly hate each other can still work together for a common good. This, my dad taught me as a kid and I cherish it as a core principle. I like civilization, after all. Being hateful, insulting, or otherwise offensive is not a big deal if we can still work along. These stupid "codes of conduct" make civilization impossible. Worse, they force the language to be b…
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Your C compiler is the result of a committee of hundreds, if not thousands of people; every line of code used is the result of collaboration, with the actual line of code being an implementation detail. You can't have a product like this without its community, and you can't have a community without rules.
Does the ISO have a CoC? What about ANSI?
One of the landmarks of civilization is that people who utterly hate each other can still work together for a common good. This, my dad taught me as a kid and I cherish it as a core principle. I like civilization, after all. Being hateful, insulting, or otherwise offensive is not a big deal if we can still work along. These stupid "codes of conduct" make civilization impossible. Worse, they force the language to be b…
> Being hateful, insulting, or otherwise offensive is not a big deal if we can still work along.
and those that think:
> I can't work along somebody who is hateful, insulting, or otherwise offensive.
I'm not sure either group is completely right, but it seems that being nicer would solve this whole problem...
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Fair warning, I do not like codes of conduct. They're an authoritarian power play justified by fear. Codes of conduct are more about changing who is in the community than about changing the conduct of existing community members. Periodically someone runs afoul of the ruling elite who pass judgement upon them behind closed doors, usually leading to excommunication. The atmosphere of knowing what you say will be report…
In addition, open source projects are generally balancing on a knife-edge between irrelevance and obsolescence. Any bureaucratic tool that draws attention away from their core focus carries a risk of derailing them. The CoC people are relatively transparent that they want to be able to push people like Torvalds and Stallman out of projects. Raising the question; do we have a limitless supply of Stallmans and Torvalds…
Is there a current need for the FSF or alternatives? There's a wide variety of licenses already developed and between GPL2 and 3, LGPLs, AGPL, BSD/MIT, Apache, Mozilla, and normal commercial licenses, plus or minus PATENTS files, I'm not sure we need an organization that is developing another license, plus advocacy, plus developing a collection of fairly unrelated software at this point. I guess you could say the Apache foundation almost does the same thing, although I don't think they did much advocacy to use their license.
Yes, FSF was important, but when it winds down, it will not be replaced by one organization.
One of the landmarks of civilization is that people who utterly hate each other can still work together for a common good. This, my dad taught me as a kid and I cherish it as a core principle. I like civilization, after all. Being hateful, insulting, or otherwise offensive is not a big deal if we can still work along. These stupid "codes of conduct" make civilization impossible. Worse, they force the language to be b…
It seems to me there are two basic types of people - those that think: > Being hateful, insulting, or otherwise offensive is not a big deal if we can still work along. and those that think: > I can't work along somebody who is hateful, insulting, or otherwise offensive. I'm not sure either group is completely right, but it seems that being nicer would solve this whole problem...
I agree 100%. Being nice is the best and solves nearly everything. Problem is, COCs give undue power to some non-nice people via "enforcement committees" and whatnot.
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The fact that it was white people bullying people from all over the planet only made it worse.
I've noticed that white people as a group regularly get abuse in anti-woke HN threads. Seems bizarre to me. I guess it is some kind of "gotcha", intended to undermine "woke" people but it seems a bit self-defeating. "White people are so racist they're even racist when they're trying to be non-racist" seems more woke than anti-woke to me, but that doesn't seem to be the intention.