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Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by bee_rider »

BillWyeRex wrote: post #77
HelloMcFly wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Abortion is not killing, abortion is healthcare. Yes, I realize one's set of values will create disagreement on this, I'm not trying to build consensus here, but can't let such a statement about "killing" go uncommented on.

I'm generally pro-choice but this reckless disingenuity employed by abortion advocates is appalling. An abortion is not as routine as having a skin tag removed. It is a serious, life-changing decision that ought to come with an appropriate level of counselling, reflection, and consideration.

The comment you’ve replied to didn’t compare it to getting a skin tag removed, they called it healthcare. Healthcare covers all sort of procedures, with various levels of moral weight attached.

Regardless, it is up to the patient how much counseling, reflection, and consideration they feel they need. If you get an abortion you ought to have the right to seek counseling before or after if you want, it is up to you.

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by Goronmon »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #82
Goronmon wrote: post #56

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Google does not have an obligation to only show pro-choice material when searching abortion Your twisted words here aren't helping your argument. In this situation someone is looking for healthcare options and they are being shown options for scam services that have no intention to ever provide any healthcare. Just as if someone was searching for prescription medication and it directed them to sites that sold what ap…

Boy, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You twisting the definition of "healthcare" to only mean abortion is just as bad. "Healthcare" to a teen on the fence might mean EXACTLY looking for an agency that can help them deliver and give the baby up for adoption.

"Healthcare" to a teen on the fence might mean EXACTLY looking for an agency that can help them deliver and give the baby up for adoption.

Are you arguing that clinics don't provide services that help women deliver babies or guide them through adoption? That's ridiculous. My two children are proof that doctors aren't going around fighting against women giving birth.

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Post by pseg134 »

john-radio wrote: post #97
TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #82

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Boy, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You twisting the definition of "healthcare" to only mean abortion is just as bad. "Healthcare" to a teen on the fence might mean EXACTLY looking for an agency that can help them deliver and give the baby up for adoption.

> "Healthcare" to a teen on the fence might mean EXACTLY looking for an agency that can help them deliver and give the baby up for adoption. Yes, but not for teens googling "abortion care." Are you arguing in good faith here?

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Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by swexbe »

Timon3 wrote: post #38
swexbe wrote: post #22

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False equivalence. Killing something and trying to stop someone from killing something is not the same.

You're trying to push your morality on everyone. It's fine if you consider abortion to be murder, but the majority doesn't. Google for anti-abortion stuff all you like! But don't make it show up on unrelated searches, if you don't also want the opposite to happen.

Please, I'm literally just saying it wasn't a good comparison.

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by notacoward »

Some people seem more concerned about this than the fact that Googling "abortion clinic near me" will also ensure that your identifying info gets onto certain lists where you probably don't want it to be in today's political climate.

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by lostgame »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #29
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #16

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There are 20 countries in the world where suicide is considered illegal, which is a weird concept on its own. Here’s the map: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_legislation . Now, if we talked about assisted suicide…

> Marijuana Illegal, straight to jail, and morally bad > Assisted Marijuana Totally legal and morally good

>> comparing weed to suicide

You okay there, bud?

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by lostgame »

veave wrote: post #65
afavour wrote: post #9

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In what way are these situations comparable? If you google GitHub you’re probably looking for source control. GitLab offers source control. If you google “abortion providers” you’re looking to get an abortion. The ads you see are specifically for people who want to look like abortion providers but actually seek to stop you from getting one and don’t provide any abortion services at all. It’s like googling GitHub and…

I want to think that people who google abortion providers don't want their babies killed, they simply need help, one way or another

That’s great because nobody who is having an abortion is killing babies! :)

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by lostgame »

john-radio wrote: post #92
crisdux wrote: post #33

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Abortion is a complex and controversial issue. Google does not have an obligation to only show pro-choice material when searching abortion, because that would be a form of censorship and bias that would violate its own principles of neutrality and diversity. I am not persuaded by your argument that these search results will harm users.

> Abortion is a complex and controversial issue. Your writing the words down does not make it so. It isn't particularly complex, and it isn't particularly controversial in the United States, even among Republicans; people want abortion rights and fringe groups want to deprive them of it. Edit: also, I can't believe you baited me into arguing about whether abortion should be allowed or not. Just in case you aren't act…

>> fringe groups want to deprive them of it

I’d hardly call extremist right-wing Christians a ‘fringe group’, as much as I think most people wish they were...

‘Terrorist group’? Sure. Spot on. ‘Fringe’? Sadly not at all.

Look at the ongoing trans genocide as another example as to how big and how powerful these truly hate-filled people are.

EDIT: saw a disgusting uneducated dead comment below here saying it’s offensive to call the very real trans genocide a ‘genocide’ to others because I guess they’ve either done no research or are more likely just transphobic.

It’s sad to see even in usually amazing communities like this; that the denial of the trans genocide continues.

We can’t begin to fix a problem, before we acknowledge the problem exists, and this isn’t a deniable or debatable issue - it’s happening. Let’s not be ignorant hateful cretins by denying it. Please.

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by john-radio »

lostgame wrote: post #108
john-radio wrote: post #92

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> Abortion is a complex and controversial issue. Your writing the words down does not make it so. It isn't particularly complex, and it isn't particularly controversial in the United States, even among Republicans; people want abortion rights and fringe groups want to deprive them of it. Edit: also, I can't believe you baited me into arguing about whether abortion should be allowed or not. Just in case you aren't act…

>> fringe groups want to deprive them of it I’d hardly call extremist right-wing Christians a ‘fringe group’, as much as I think most people wish they were... ‘Terrorist group’? Sure. Spot on. ‘Fringe’? Sadly not at all. Look at the ongoing trans genocide as another example as to how big and how powerful these truly hate-filled people are. EDIT: saw a disgusting uneducated dead comment below here saying it’s offensiv…

"Fringe" in terms of their popular support in this nominal democracy, I mean, not in terms of their power; you're quite right.

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by mdale »

crisdux wrote: post #33
john-radio wrote: post #17

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This conversation is about ethics. Google has no ethical obligation to help GitHub outcompete Gitlab; but it does have an ethical obligation to prevent anti-abortion centers from using Google services to trick young women into a lifetime of difficulty and poverty by misrepresenting themselves as medical providers. And what is more, we have an ethical obligations as Google's users and customers to force Google to beha…

Abortion is a complex and controversial issue. Google does not have an obligation to only show pro-choice material when searching abortion, because that would be a form of censorship and bias that would violate its own principles of neutrality and diversity. I am not persuaded by your argument that these search results will harm users.

I am pretty sure there would be a fair bit of outrage if woman searching for prenatal adoption services were directed to abortion clinics adverting as prenatal adoption centers that then stear people towards the "options" of abortion.

The main point is false representation; which Google if they value their relationship with their users .. they do have an obligation to carry advertising towards some degree of truth in representation of product or service being offered.

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