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Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by fwjlwo »

shp0ngle wrote: post #12

From my point of view, as someone who is pro life, it’s fine; it’s like showing anti-suicide line when you look for “how to kill myself” Sure the person wants to kill himself but should he .

I'm "pro-life" too and don't want to control ppl's bodies. I think that, from an evolutionary stand view, everyone is pro life :)

You comparison is completely bogus. Someone suic1dal is in need of help and support. Women who choose to have an ab0rtion is (not always) completely conscious of their choice when they get to the poine of looking for a clinic on Google.

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

Goronmon wrote: post #56
crisdux wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Abortion is a complex and controversial issue. Google does not have an obligation to only show pro-choice material when searching abortion, because that would be a form of censorship and bias that would violate its own principles of neutrality and diversity. I am not persuaded by your argument that these search results will harm users.

Google does not have an obligation to only show pro-choice material when searching abortion Your twisted words here aren't helping your argument. In this situation someone is looking for healthcare options and they are being shown options for scam services that have no intention to ever provide any healthcare. Just as if someone was searching for prescription medication and it directed them to sites that sold what ap…

Boy, talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You twisting the definition of "healthcare" to only mean abortion is just as bad. "Healthcare" to a teen on the fence might mean EXACTLY looking for an agency that can help them deliver and give the baby up for adoption.

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by TheFreim »

Goronmon wrote: post #76
TheFreim wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A unique member of the human species exists from the moment of conception. Also, even if you disagree with my position that all humans have a right to life that still doesn't make a crisis pregnancy center which offers alternatives to abortion a bad thing, they're giving resources to help people not feel pressured to make an irreversible medical decision.

...crisis pregnancy center which offers alternatives to abortion a bad thing, they're giving resources to help people not feel pressured to make an irreversible medical decision. It's laughable the dishonesty here. Anti-abortion businesses are precisely about pressuring people to make irreversible medical decisions. That's literally their modus operandi.

If "anti-abortion businesses" are about "pressuring people..." by merely providing an alternative to ending the life of an innocent human being then by implication "abortion businesses" would be about pressuring women to end the life. Of course I know you'd contest that, but that's because of an inconsistency. Even if you disagree with the pro-life view that all humans have a right to life, which is what supporting abortion necessarily implies, you still cannot reasonably say that providing mothers with support is a bad thing.

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by Goronmon »

BillWyeRex wrote: post #77
HelloMcFly wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Abortion is not killing, abortion is healthcare. Yes, I realize one's set of values will create disagreement on this, I'm not trying to build consensus here, but can't let such a statement about "killing" go uncommented on.

I'm generally pro-choice but this reckless disingenuity employed by abortion advocates is appalling. An abortion is not as routine as having a skin tag removed. It is a serious, life-changing decision that ought to come with an appropriate level of counselling, reflection, and consideration.

I'm generally pro-choice but this reckless disingenuity employed by abortion advocates is appalling.

What exactly do you find "reckless disingenuity" about referring to an abortion as healthcare? Nothing about that signals recklessness. Healthcare can refer to "skin tag removal" as you mentioned, it can also refer to cancer treatments, emergency surgery, etc.

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by krapp »

I feel like the bigger issue here is that just having this in your search history can get you arrested in several states now, and how OK everyone seems to be with that.

Americans were more outraged at losing the ability to dine out for two years under COVID than they were with losing an inalienable right forever.

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by TheFreim »

Goronmon wrote: post #79
TheFreim wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Attacks on pregnancy centers are part of the reason I sometimes refer to "pro-choice" as pro-abortion. When offering alternatives to abortion get demonized you have to wonder what this is all really about.

When offering alternatives to abortion get demonized you have to wonder what this is all really about. And abortion is never demonized by the anti-abortion groups? Absurd.

I never said that "abortion is never demonized." Abortion is rightly attacked by "anti-abortion groups". There is a lack of symmetry: the usual pro-abortion marketing is that they're "pro-choice" but then they attack services that are dedicated to providing resources for one of those choices.

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by afavour »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #71
afavour wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No because suicide and abortion are not comparable.

There are all sorts of ways you can compare them. For example, you just compared them. Another: “they are both controversial topics”.

Any attempt to invoke suicide in a discussion about abortion is pure whataboutism, as this thread is aptly demonstrating.

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by TheRealDunkirk »

afavour wrote: post #9
hexis wrote: post #5

I just googled GitHub and the top results were ads for circleci and gitlab. Buying ads for competitors keywords is extremely normal. Gitlab would love to dissuade me from using GitHub, just as a crisis pregnancy center would love to dissuade me from getting an abortion.

In what way are these situations comparable? If you google GitHub you’re probably looking for source control. GitLab offers source control. If you google “abortion providers” you’re looking to get an abortion. The ads you see are specifically for people who want to look like abortion providers but actually seek to stop you from getting one and don’t provide any abortion services at all. It’s like googling GitHub and…

GP "got it in one." This is SEO 101. Just because you don't like how it worked out doesn't mean the system broke. It's working exactly as designed.

More and more of us hate it, for ALL the reasons that it doesn't take us to exactly what WE think it ought to show us. Like having several ads at the top, and then the next several links leading us to YouTube videos asking us to "like and subscribe" for more source control "content."

This entire thread is now devoted to how much censorship, ethics, and literal mind reading we need to program AI with to make it work in our new, evolved, and COMPLETELY overly-sensitized society.

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by PathOfEclipse »

john-radio wrote: post #17
hexis wrote: post #5

I just googled GitHub and the top results were ads for circleci and gitlab. Buying ads for competitors keywords is extremely normal. Gitlab would love to dissuade me from using GitHub, just as a crisis pregnancy center would love to dissuade me from getting an abortion.

This conversation is about ethics. Google has no ethical obligation to help GitHub outcompete Gitlab; but it does have an ethical obligation to prevent anti-abortion centers from using Google services to trick young women into a lifetime of difficulty and poverty by misrepresenting themselves as medical providers. And what is more, we have an ethical obligations as Google's users and customers to force Google to beha…

> but it does have an ethical obligation to prevent anti-abortion centers from using Google services to trick young women into a lifetime of difficulty and poverty by misrepresenting themselves as medical providers.

"Ethical" and "moral" are often used interchangeably because they mostly mean the same thing. Have you ever stopped to consider that your moral code may be wrong, that what you consider "good" is actually evil and vice versa?

From: https://journals.sagepub.com/eprint/N86GqF7e5kx7diHpiRng/ful...

"Compared to women who deliver, those who miscarry or have TOP face significantly elevated rates of psychiatric disorders, substance use, suicidal behaviors, sleep disorders, post-traumatic stress disorders, a decline in general health, and elevated rates of recourse to medical treatments in general, most of which have been observed within the first through ten years following the pregnancy loss."

And from https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30397472/:

"Among a sample of women seeking counseling for post-abortion distress, 64% felt “forced by outside circumstance” to have an abortion and 83% indicated they would have carried to term if significant others in their lives had encouraged delivery"

And, from https://afterabortion.org/all-abortion-risks-must-be-disclos...

Planned Parenthood tried arguing in court that they shouldn't have to disclose the statistically significant risk of increased suicide to women seeking an abortion, or any of the other risks. It's almost like they have their own agenda that goes against what is best for their patients. It's also almost like what they are doing isn't really health care!

And all of this isn't even taking into account the moral and ethical claim that the unborn child has the human right to life. Do not be so confident that your sense of morality and ethics is correct, and that therefore one of the most powerful information companies in the world should direct its resources towards your chosen ideology or religion. Free spech doesn't exist so bad people can say evil things; it exists because what is good and what is bad is hard enough to figure out that everyone needs to be able to speak their mind and discuss the issues at hand so that we can reach the best consensus.

Re: Googling 'abortion clinic near me'? The top result often an anti-abortion clinic

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Post by mrpopo »

timw4mail wrote: post #59
HelloMcFly wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Abortion is not killing, abortion is healthcare. Yes, I realize one's set of values will create disagreement on this, I'm not trying to build consensus here, but can't let such a statement about "killing" go uncommented on.

Abortion as "birth control" is killing. That is not health care.

No one uses periodic abortions as birth control, except in US right-wing media horror stories.
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