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Post by throwaway290 »

pif wrote: post #182
beremaki wrote: post #158

Situation in France will not end well. Both rule of law and liberal democracy are increasingly damaged. Our institutions are so weak that we are one election away from a complete disaster. Our constitution always concentrated a lot of power in the hand of the president but there is no effective counter-power left. The government set multiple precedent that violate freedom of assembly and association and parliamentary…

I live in France as well, and personally do not feel the same negativity as you. What I don't appreciate at all is our share of idiots that think that blocking the country is a proper way of protesting (see "gilets jaunes"). That is not democratic, when a minority imposes their will to the silent majority.

When they came for the protesters you did not speak out because you was not a protester... Beware when they come for you there will be no one left to speak out. (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_)

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Post by nottorp »

pndy wrote: post #41
Krisjohn wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I must say I spluttered a bit at F-Droid.

uBlock Origin itself gave me oh what the fuck reaction but seems its gone now; text has been fixed already. No information on time of the edit was provided.

The french text has uBlock Origin still for me.

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Post by AnonCoward42 »

light_hue_1 wrote: post #239
piokoch wrote: post #228

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Wait for the next election in Germany. AfD has just climbed to the 2nd place with 20% of support and is still growing. Believe or not, one day you will miss someone like Orban.

The situation is a bit less dire than that thankfully. 2/3rds of AfD supporters claim to be doing it as a protest vote. And that they don't support the AfD. Just like with brexit. There's still time for an alternative before all of Europe goes in with fascism again.

> 2/3rds of AfD supporters claim to be doing it as a protest vote. And that they don't support the AfD. Just like with brexit.

> There's still time for an alternative before all of Europe goes in with fascism again.

AfD => fascism. Argumentum ad Hitlerum basically. Does Germany really need more migration? More identity kamikaze? More publicly financed propaganda (ARD, ZDF, DW, plenty "N"GOs)? More provocation towards Russia for no god damn reason? More climate hysteria (and the unevitable destruction of enviroment for it)?

Which party would you choose instead? They all stand for the same thing with different velocity except ... yeah, exactly.

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Post by CyberDildonics »

susanthenerd wrote: post #266
lewtds wrote: post #164

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And how did you find out about that?

https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/nsa-linux-journal-extre...

That does not contain the words "FBI" or "watch"

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Post by napo »

Nemrod67 wrote: post #199
beremaki wrote: post #158

Situation in France will not end well. Both rule of law and liberal democracy are increasingly damaged. Our institutions are so weak that we are one election away from a complete disaster. Our constitution always concentrated a lot of power in the hand of the president but there is no effective counter-power left. The government set multiple precedent that violate freedom of assembly and association and parliamentary…

As you can see from other replies: - the French people did not care that they had to sign a paper to get out to walk - that we closed libraries and forbade people from buying clothes in supermarkets - that Macron has been in charge of the country's finances for over a decade with horrid results (+600B€ in debt) - that Macron did everything he said he would not, and said a lot of things that would be treason in a reas…

"the French people did not care that they had to sign a paper to get out to walk"

1- Don't you think this is quite political? Like what is your benefit from saying this out of context? If signing this paper and being stricter helped the hospitals not being saturated and saved x thousands lives do you still think it was a bad thing? (I'm not even saying that's the case I'm just saying you don't seem to take that possibility into account at all)

2- From my observations French people -constently- complain about this. So I wouldn't say they didn't care about it. You're doing it right now.

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Post by logicprog »

mantas wrote: post #150
lannisterstark wrote: post #79

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Problem is not that fighting for your civil right makes you a far left, problem is the potential definition you may have of the far left. If the people were advocating for a state-incorporated everything ala Soviet style communism, I'd agree with you. They aren't.

Another problem is how people define civil rights. We're past the point when „civil rights“ or „human rights“ had an universal meaning. You want democracy? Good. You want to limit corporations to make sure small businesses stand a fair chance? Ok. You want to touch personal property, cancel opponents or abolish borders/police/military/etc? Russian boat that way.

> abolish borders/police/military/etc? Russian boat that way.

Ah yes, Soviet Russia, known for... Uh... Not having borders, police, or military.

Come on man. Not all far left ideologies are authoritarian, there's a whole authoritarian-libertarian axis. Many far leftists hate authoritarians, including left wing authoritarians like state socialists, as much as you do.

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Post by nottorp »

lucubratory wrote: post #138
zirgs wrote: post #103

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In my country it's legal to go to Ukraine and fight on the Ukrainian side. But fighting on the Russian side is illegal and is punishable by long prison terms even if you didn't commit any war crimes there. That applies to all residents of the country - including Russian citizens.

That's insane, what country is that?

Bet it's a country that was in or close to the USSR and would really like to not go back in there...

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Post by ElMocambo_x4 »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #71
Avlin67 wrote: post #59

I have great respect for Quadrature du Net but bear in mind they are almost extrem left and whatever govt say they will be against...

True, but they are very serious and diligent in their actions. They have been nothing but rational and respectful in everything they have done so far. You can see it in the writing of the article, it's methodical, logical, and rely strongly on facts through quoting documents. This have been consistent for years, something I give them a lot of credits for. Besides, no matter the political orientation of the govt, I th…

No, their bias is grotesque. They make it sound like the DGSI bothered monitoring some dudes because they are using uBlock origins, lmfao.

For the US guys here, the equivalent would be the FBI tracking down a few guys back from Afghanistan, monitoring who they talk to, see that they are curious about how to make bombs, how to encrypt your communications, etc, and write an article saying "oh look, the FBI thinkgs that buying sugar at the supermarket is suspicious", because among 1000 other evidence, the FBI at some point noted that "individual bought ingredients to a make a bomb and bought 25kg of sugar".

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

hughesjj wrote: post #155
PartiallyTyped wrote: post #139

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This is why we can not, under any circumstances, budge on encryption and privacy. It is a fundamental right and I am willing to die on this hill.

There's no freedom more fundamental than freedom of thought, but anti-encryption violates that imo. At least, it prevents the sharing or workshopping of thoughts. Yeah, I'd literally die on that hill. No one deserves to be subject to my raw, unrefined thoughts. It's hell enough for me

It really is such a hill, I know it may sound absurd to some people, but invasion of privacy and communications is, by all means, thought policing, and living in such a world is, in my opinion, torture.

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Post by barrkel »

skitout wrote: post #224
pif wrote: post #182

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I live in France as well, and personally do not feel the same negativity as you. What I don't appreciate at all is our share of idiots that think that blocking the country is a proper way of protesting (see "gilets jaunes"). That is not democratic, when a minority imposes their will to the silent majority.

Polls showed that a large majority of French supported the Gilets Jaunes or supported the recent strikes. Foolowing your reasonning, the minority imposing their will to the silent majority is the government. Furthermore, independently to our opinion about the Gilets Jaunes, the way this government use the police on the protest can be questioning for a democracy. Even the journalist of the right Figaro newspaper prote…

https://www.statista.com/statistics/945415/gilets-jaunes-app...

Those in favour went from 70 to 50% over the course of 5 months, opposition tripled, strong support went from 50% to 20%.

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