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Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

#171

I would love to be able to hide Shorts for good instead of having to do it every 30 days. I wonder what technical issue is preventing them to accomplish such task.

If you use Chrome, YouTube Shorts Block [1] is a good extension for that, and removes (mostly) Shorts videos. Not perfect, still leaves some traces (e.g. empty spaces, channel titles in subscriptions), but it helps to declutter your user experience. And while we're talking about extensions to customize your YT experience, here's three more that I really enjoy: - Clickbait Remover [2], to remove the usually clickbait-…

You forgot the by far most important: sponsor block

Its an ad blocker for the in-video sponsorship segments

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/sponsorblock-for-y...

It's also available for other browsers.

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

#172
post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't installing extensions considered extremely dangerous?

What's your threat model?

The thread model is that maintainers of popular extensions get offers of several thousand $ all the time to pass over ownership. And there have been several incidents in which the new owners added trackers to the extension itself, tracking the user across all domains.

These extensions usually have full access to the DOM, so they can do everything they want to.

So their question is very much warrented: installing as new extension should always be well considered.

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

#173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you use Chrome, YouTube Shorts Block [1] is a good extension for that, and removes (mostly) Shorts videos. Not perfect, still leaves some traces (e.g. empty spaces, channel titles in subscriptions), but it helps to declutter your user experience. And while we're talking about extensions to customize your YT experience, here's three more that I really enjoy: - Clickbait Remover [2], to remove the usually clickbait-…

You forgot the by far most important: sponsor block Its an ad blocker for the in-video sponsorship segments https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/sponsorblock-for-y... It's also available for other browsers.

This is a great addon. works on most channels.

I personally do not use it though as I do not have a problem with advertising in general. As long as there is no data collection and targeted ads, I am good to sponsor with my time.

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

#174

I would love to be able to hide Shorts for good instead of having to do it every 30 days. I wonder what technical issue is preventing them to accomplish such task.

In addition, it would be nice to create a separate RSS feed for the shorts and of course remove them from the original. In the early days it was easy to filter out because of the #short tag, but nowadays it's not mandatory in the title.

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

#175

I would love to be able to hide Shorts for good instead of having to do it every 30 days. I wonder what technical issue is preventing them to accomplish such task.

In my experience with big tech, there's almost never technical issues with this kind of preferences. It's a business decision.

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

#176
post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To the far more experienced HN audience, is there a viable technical reason for this to not stick past 30 days? I would cynically assume it's a solely dark pattern, but I have never built at such a scale as youtube.

Tiktok makes big money and is a direct competitor to YouTube, so YouTube is pushing the format to capture that audience back. It’s a far more engaging pattern that what existed before. Remember when YouTube forced autoplay on everyone? Doesn’t make for a better experience, but if users are more engaged that’s all that counts for execs at YouTube

Personally, I think it is primarily a way to sneak a Tiktok-esque experience to further addict the children that use YouTube, without their parents realizing their kids are watching neurodegenerative content.

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

#178

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The median persons rabbit hole was actually conspiracy theories, racism, and racist conspiracies. Just like TV, there's some amazing content, but there's also reality shows and guess what people watch the most.

Two questions: 1. Whose role is it to make judgements about whether people should be able to find certain kinds of content? 2. Do you think modern recommendation systems are better at keeping people away from that kind of content? The thing is, as of now, if a recommendation algorithm identifies you as someone that responds to that kind of content, whether negatively or positively, it'll show you so much of it that y…

> 1. Whose role is it to make judgements about whether people should be able to find certain kinds of content?

General public pressure that ultimately comes down to money (a.k.a: advertisers) which is controlled by general social pressure. With the previous rabbit hole effect, it's trivial for a reporter or an activist or anyone to record a 5 minute video where you start with a debate on a news channel or some very tame video about [Insert undesirable topic] then through 1 click on the top/next recommended video find yourself in an endless rabbit hole of full [Insert undesirable topic] videos. Then publicly call/shame those advertisers. Advertisers don't want associate their brand with that. If YouTube wants to be a bastion of free speech absolutism, that's their prerogative. Maybe it's good for their brand. We just want to sell Coca-cola or shoes or cars or whatever. To score brownie points with the public, we will pull our ads until YouTube gives us assurances that they are not promoting that [Insert undesirable topic].

Without the big advertisers, YouTube goes bankrupt in few months. Just like any traditional media company YouTube answers to their advertisers.

> 2. Do you think modern recommendation systems are better at keeping people away from that kind of content? > The thing is, as of now, if a recommendation algorithm identifies you as someone that responds to that kind of content, whether negatively or positively, it'll show you so much of it that you think it's the entire world.

That's a false dichotomy. Recommendation systems are whatever we make them to be. For example, maybe a recommendation system that recommends you content based solely on *your* own preference + the current content you're consuming, is more likely to exhibit rabbit hole effect characteristics. One that takes the subject matter into account and evaluates it equally against some other criteria might have a different characteristics.

Ultimately it's a difficult problem to answer because it's a social problem, not a technical one. Just because you're a video or a social media or generative AI platform built on tech, doesn't absolve you from social responsibility if you're large enough to have wide spread social impact. That was the case with traditional media company. The fact that you're designing and creating algorithms and statistical models to recommend, promote, or generate content means you're on the hook for what those models produce.

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

#179
post #34

Now for them to bring back the 5 star rating system and video replies!

Video replies was a crazy idea in retrospect. Being able to anchor arbitrary videos to any other video at will is insanely ripe for abuse. If the feature existed today you would surely see thousands of spam videos with no relevance to the content they're replying to stuck underneath anything remotely popular. It's a wonder it ever worked as intended at all.

Look at TikTok for how it can be done. It's not perfect but it's used very widely and ties context together across videos.

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

#180
post #27

Great. Can we get Amazon to have price sorting work too please? And have it actually accurately show cost per unit across similar products? I have to believe it's deliberately broken in both cases which is fucking annoying.

TIL...that Privacy Badger extension and uBlock Origin affect the "Sort by" options in Amazon! I have disabled both of them and got my results properly sorted by "Price: Low to High" while with both extensions on, it defaults to Featured!

Sorting works fine on my side when using uBlock Origin with default settings and default filter lists.

You might have customized uBO beyond default settings/lists, and this is causing your issue. If you think this is a filter issue in uBO, please submit a report using the _chat_ icon in the popup panel[1], this will provide us with all the information we need to start investigating the issue.

[1] https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Quick-guide:-popup-us...

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