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Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

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Post by swyx »

atdt wrote: post #132
throwaway0223 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you use Chrome, YouTube Shorts Block [1] is a good extension for that, and removes (mostly) Shorts videos. Not perfect, still leaves some traces (e.g. empty spaces, channel titles in subscriptions), but it helps to declutter your user experience. And while we're talking about extensions to customize your YT experience, here's three more that I really enjoy: - Clickbait Remover [2], to remove the usually clickbait-…

Fantastic list, thank you. I didn't know about most of these. What's the benefit of the video speed controller over the playback speed controls provided by YouTube?

more fine grained speed levels, can go up to 4x, plus it works on ALL videos on every page not jsut youtube

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

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Post by FullstakBlogger »

IIAOPSW wrote: post #140
FullstakBlogger wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The negatives being what? Technical? Social? Having a traversable landscape of content is incredibly valuable. I think "search results as search criteria"/"traversal by adjacency" is the only real feasible way to organize the web, and the fact that we've moved away from that is the reason google search is often now useless. ChatGPT is valuable as a search replacement/amplifier because it reproduces that adjacency in…

The median persons rabbit hole was actually conspiracy theories, racism, and racist conspiracies. Just like TV, there's some amazing content, but there's also reality shows and guess what people watch the most.

Two questions:

1. Whose role is it to make judgements about whether people should be able to find certain kinds of content?

2. Do you think modern recommendation systems are better at keeping people away from that kind of content?

The thing is, as of now, if a recommendation algorithm identifies you as someone that responds to that kind of content, whether negatively or positively, it'll show you so much of it that you think it's the entire world. Even if you want to see something else, you have to have the discipline to "train the algorithm" over days, weeks or months to break free.

I feel that any suggestion things are better now is just impossible to believe.

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

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Post by thrdbndndn »

oatmeal1 wrote: post #88
pentagrama wrote: post #87

Are you talking about the mobile native app? Because at least for me, on desktop web is still only Latest and Popular https://imgur.com/a/XBFvmen [1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/@theneedledrop/videos

"Oldest" shows on Windows using Chrome for me.

It doesn't show up here with either browsers, probably region factor (I'm not in the US).

I really hate these services (especially the mega ones like YouTube, Twitter) ALWAYS have random feature disparity across client/region for no apparent reason.

I understand they can't be exactly simultaneous for technical reasons, but often times features would be delayed in some regions for days if not months.

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

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Post by renegat0x0 »

throwaway0223 wrote: post #125
cesarvarela wrote: post #115

I would love to be able to hide Shorts for good instead of having to do it every 30 days. I wonder what technical issue is preventing them to accomplish such task.

If you use Chrome, YouTube Shorts Block [1] is a good extension for that, and removes (mostly) Shorts videos. Not perfect, still leaves some traces (e.g. empty spaces, channel titles in subscriptions), but it helps to declutter your user experience. And while we're talking about extensions to customize your YT experience, here's three more that I really enjoy: - Clickbait Remover [2], to remove the usually clickbait-…

There is also

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/enhancer-for-youtu...

- you can tweak several things by one extension

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

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Post by renegat0x0 »

FullstakBlogger wrote: post #142
IIAOPSW wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The median persons rabbit hole was actually conspiracy theories, racism, and racist conspiracies. Just like TV, there's some amazing content, but there's also reality shows and guess what people watch the most.

Two questions: 1. Whose role is it to make judgements about whether people should be able to find certain kinds of content? 2. Do you think modern recommendation systems are better at keeping people away from that kind of content? The thing is, as of now, if a recommendation algorithm identifies you as someone that responds to that kind of content, whether negatively or positively, it'll show you so much of it that y…

Huh. Recommendation system is based around how much addicted you are. Therefore clickbait videos, or reaction videos will have better recommendation than a normal video.

The second goal is to make you slightly more angry, so that it is more probable that you will engage with the video.

The third is that you will watch more advertisements the more you watch. It is not in the best interest of the algorithm to give you answer right away.

It also does not have to be a bad will of YouTube/Google. After all you train neural networks to have desired outcome. The goal is to capture users attention.

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

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Post by lIIllIIllIIllII »

throwaway0223 wrote: post #125
cesarvarela wrote: post #115

I would love to be able to hide Shorts for good instead of having to do it every 30 days. I wonder what technical issue is preventing them to accomplish such task.

If you use Chrome, YouTube Shorts Block [1] is a good extension for that, and removes (mostly) Shorts videos. Not perfect, still leaves some traces (e.g. empty spaces, channel titles in subscriptions), but it helps to declutter your user experience. And while we're talking about extensions to customize your YT experience, here's three more that I really enjoy: - Clickbait Remover [2], to remove the usually clickbait-…

Isn't installing extensions considered extremely dangerous?

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

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Post by GeorgeMD »

cesarvarela wrote: post #115

I would love to be able to hide Shorts for good instead of having to do it every 30 days. I wonder what technical issue is preventing them to accomplish such task.

I doubt it's a technical issue. You will never watch shorts if you hide them for good. But if every 30 days you see shorts maybe one day you'll stop hiding them.

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

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Post by autoexec »

crazygringo wrote: post #133
autoexec wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm guessing someone (or something) made the argument that forcing people to scroll through every video uploaded to a channel just to get to the oldest ones "increased engagement"

That wouldn't make sense. YouTube wants you to watch ads, not click around the UX. Time spent scrolling is not time spent watching ads. So that is definitely not a metric YouTube is optimizing for.

I have no doubt that total time spent in the app is a metric they track. Plus scrolling through all of those videos on the way to the video you're actually looking for means there's a decent chance you'll see a thumbnail or title that catches your interest leading to more time watching videos. Either way, It'd be a shitty move and one that somebody should have caught and corrected a long long time ago.

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

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Post by RGamma »

abnercoimbre wrote: post #131
throwaway0223 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you use Chrome, YouTube Shorts Block [1] is a good extension for that, and removes (mostly) Shorts videos. Not perfect, still leaves some traces (e.g. empty spaces, channel titles in subscriptions), but it helps to declutter your user experience. And while we're talking about extensions to customize your YT experience, here's three more that I really enjoy: - Clickbait Remover [2], to remove the usually clickbait-…

Do we have equivalents for Firefox as well? I'm struggling to find them.

I use Enhancer for Youtube (https://addons.mozilla.org/en/firefox/addon/enhancer-for-you...)

Allows hiding(*) and converting to normal video.

(*) "Firefox 103+ and layout.css.has-selector.enabled set to True - Experimental CSS feature not fully working on Firefox, some rendering issues may occur"

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