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Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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Post by bioemerl »

Havoc wrote: post #53

The comment by Yuval Noah Harari seemed insightful to me. If you argue against a bot about a political matter, not knowing it’s a bot - you always lose on a long enough timeline. ie you can never pursuade the bot but it can wear you down / eventually find an argument that works. The only winning move is not to play. So I could see this having a chilling effect on all discourse Aside from the whole skynet thing the ab…

I think you're mistaken at least with current AI. It's very easy to condition them into a new frame or mind if you speak to them in a certain way. They're also very prone to "trope" - where when your sprinkle a few hints of something that's common they'll fall right into line with behavior associated to it.

We forget that AI becomes more human as it gets more intelligent. These are not computers programmed with a hard limitation anymore, they're actually more prone to being manipulated than other humans are.

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Post by a_t48 »

Ekaros wrote: post #129
ssnistfajen wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stuffing 25 RTX4090 into every anthropomorphic sex bot is the real growth potential that hasn't been priced in yet /s

Hmm, I think shared capacity in cloud might be enough? What fraction of time would you use one anyway? And wouldn't it be better if one was silent the other time?

I think they want to use the waste heat to simulate human warmth.

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Post by morley »

chasd00 wrote: post #113
civilitty wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m working on a startup that’s training LLMs to be authentic so they can simulate human affection and it’s actually working really well! The key is humanity’s ability to pattern match: we’re actually pretty terrible at it. Our brains are so keen on finding patterns that they often spot them where none exist. Remember the face on Mars? It was just a pile of rocks. The same principle applies here. As long as the AI so…

> simulate human affection LLM sexbots could be pretty useful

Obligatory wisdom from The Dude: "Hmm... well, I still jerk off manually."

Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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Post by WorldMaker »

Jeff_Brown wrote: post #72
resolutebat wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of jobs are already human interfaces for computers. Ever talked or messages with a call center? They're following scripts and trying to pattern match your problem with what they have to work with manually, AI is just going to 10x this for both good and bad. Mostly bad, I suspect, because good luck getting an AI to escalate to a supervisor.

I bank with a small credit union. They have a phone robot who asks what I need help with, and so far no matter what I've said, the response has always been to think for a few seconds and then say, "I'll connect you to a representative." It's wonderful.

The phone robot is collecting the various patterns for eventual automation. You are doing free labor for it every time by giving it any information at all and not just immediately yelling for an operator or human.

Support solidarity for human kind by refusing to talk these data gathering machines.

(I realize this sounds like satire as I write it, that I'm rather serious about this, and that it says a lot about the weird part of the timeline on which we currently exist.)

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Post by civilitty »

revolvingocelot wrote: post #116
civilitty wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m working on a startup that’s training LLMs to be authentic so they can simulate human affection and it’s actually working really well! The key is humanity’s ability to pattern match: we’re actually pretty terrible at it. Our brains are so keen on finding patterns that they often spot them where none exist. Remember the face on Mars? It was just a pile of rocks. The same principle applies here. As long as the AI so…

"Genuine People Personality", eh? >“The Encyclopedia Galactica defines a robot as a mechanical apparatus designed to do the work of a man. The marketing division of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation defines a robot as "Your Plastic Pal Who's Fun to Be With". The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy defines the marketing devision of the Sirius Cybernetic Corporation as "a bunch of mindless jerks who'll be the first again…

> Sirius Cybernetics Corporation

That's us!

(The revolution is an opportunity for a future team and not our problem)

Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’

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Post by satellite2 »

Jeff_Brown wrote: post #72
resolutebat wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of jobs are already human interfaces for computers. Ever talked or messages with a call center? They're following scripts and trying to pattern match your problem with what they have to work with manually, AI is just going to 10x this for both good and bad. Mostly bad, I suspect, because good luck getting an AI to escalate to a supervisor.

I bank with a small credit union. They have a phone robot who asks what I need help with, and so far no matter what I've said, the response has always been to think for a few seconds and then say, "I'll connect you to a representative." It's wonderful.

Maybe they have a hash of your voice and know you always manage to escalate to L3 so just skip the middlemen?

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Post by uoaei »

aero-deck wrote: post #139
Havoc wrote: post #53

The comment by Yuval Noah Harari seemed insightful to me. If you argue against a bot about a political matter, not knowing it’s a bot - you always lose on a long enough timeline. ie you can never pursuade the bot but it can wear you down / eventually find an argument that works. The only winning move is not to play. So I could see this having a chilling effect on all discourse Aside from the whole skynet thing the ab…

The chilling effect may actually be a good thing, given that discourse these days is overheated. There's a weird magic trick that social media companies have played on people to convince them that the text and images consumed on their websites are socially/culturally/politically relevant. Once it becomes clear how easy it is to fake that text people will come to understand how cheap and irrelevant "opinion" has becom…

The entire thesis of TFA is that human psychological traits on societal scales are not prepared to handle an arena of discourse where that's true, that people will either be duped or completely check out of discourse per se, not limited to online social media.

You hold the opposite position. Why?

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Post by comboy »

mahathu wrote: post #133
thumbuddy wrote: post #57

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Whew it's satire. Whew. I've literally seen posts on the internet that read like this sans the satire.

I've seen people on /r/singularity argue how LLMs are a better friend than actual friends or therapists because they are always available, non-judgemental and "listen better". EDIT: Here, for example: https://i.redd.it/7qxb1ohvhada1.png

Some programmers prefer rubber ducky to colleges for similar reasons and it works for them.

Assuming people have time to listen, would they be better coders if they explained their problems to human instead? Maybe. But maybe not for them necessarily. E.g. low self-esteem and assuming every criticism is attack on them, human interactions are something expensive to them etc.

It's not a new pattern though. Especially after reading some biographies of famous scientists.

You can't escape that most brains are wired in a way that we are miserable without human connection, but you also can't escape the fact that some people brains are wired differently than others.

Long story short, I don't agree with them but I wouldn't judge them either.

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Post by cvoss »

aero-deck wrote: post #139
Havoc wrote: post #53

The comment by Yuval Noah Harari seemed insightful to me. If you argue against a bot about a political matter, not knowing it’s a bot - you always lose on a long enough timeline. ie you can never pursuade the bot but it can wear you down / eventually find an argument that works. The only winning move is not to play. So I could see this having a chilling effect on all discourse Aside from the whole skynet thing the ab…

The chilling effect may actually be a good thing, given that discourse these days is overheated. There's a weird magic trick that social media companies have played on people to convince them that the text and images consumed on their websites are socially/culturally/politically relevant. Once it becomes clear how easy it is to fake that text people will come to understand how cheap and irrelevant "opinion" has becom…

"Overheated" and "chilled" aren't antonyms here, at least not in the sense I think you're using them.

Overheated: the discourse has too much anger or vitriol, or is too personal and emotionally charged.

Chilled: people have given up on discoursing at all.

If this is what you mean, I don't think we want less discourse as a solution to bad discourse. We want to maintain but temper the discourse.

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Post by notShabu »

Algorithms wove our pseudo-realities into super plazas of connectedness and mimetic conflict,

AI however can create raw strands of pseudo-reality, a previously human-specific ability.

The arms race shifts from "i'm more human than you!" to "i'm human, really!"

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