We have always needed to navigate bullshit. We have the tools, we need to formalize them in code. This is an opportunity to improve our identification of bullshit of all types, human and machine generated.
Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’
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Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’
#122The comment by Yuval Noah Harari seemed insightful to me. If you argue against a bot about a political matter, not knowing it’s a bot - you always lose on a long enough timeline. ie you can never pursuade the bot but it can wear you down / eventually find an argument that works. The only winning move is not to play. So I could see this having a chilling effect on all discourse Aside from the whole skynet thing the ab…
Very much unlike pre-AI political arguments with real people on the internet.
Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’
#123Really don’t like the idea that we will act as interfaces for the AI, I honestly believe it will only many the majority of people lazier and dumber. I’m also incredibly shocked that no one is talking about AI as a friend/companion, that has to not be good for you in the long run. Humans need real human connection, AI is too artificial for that (duh). Having AI friends will be equivalent to consuming fast food instead…
I think we can speculate in the entirely opposite direction where the same action leads to positive outcomes. Lots of legitimate human companions are abusive. People have a wide range of qualities and many of them are bad. AI may be a poor blanket replacement for all human companionship but it could easily be less bad than someone's immediately available alternatives and be used therapeutically to help someone model…
I am not sure this is a good inference.
first, what does it mean lots? is it majority? because the AI and AI minded products are targeting everybody.
second, imagine the argument being about Facebook: some life interactions are sometimes not good, but connecting with people online will make it better. fast forward 10 years and we have studies how social media is making most of the people using it depressed and badly influencing our democratic choices. not sure we really solve anything here.
Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m working on a startup that’s training LLMs to be authentic so they can simulate human affection and it’s actually working really well! The key is humanity’s ability to pattern match: we’re actually pretty terrible at it. Our brains are so keen on finding patterns that they often spot them where none exist. Remember the face on Mars? It was just a pile of rocks. The same principle applies here. As long as the AI so…
> simulate human affection LLM sexbots could be pretty useful
Stuffing 25 RTX4090 into every anthropomorphic sex bot is the real growth potential that hasn't been priced in yet /s
Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’
#125Really don’t like the idea that we will act as interfaces for the AI, I honestly believe it will only many the majority of people lazier and dumber. I’m also incredibly shocked that no one is talking about AI as a friend/companion, that has to not be good for you in the long run. Humans need real human connection, AI is too artificial for that (duh). Having AI friends will be equivalent to consuming fast food instead…
> Having AI friends will be equivalent to consuming fast food instead of healthy home cooked meals growing up A person who is starving will do better with fast food than with no food at all. It's far from ideal, but for some people this will make their lives marginally more tolerable.
Nobody who is starving decides to just go through the drive through.
Fast food is convenient, that's it.
Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’
#126The comment by Yuval Noah Harari seemed insightful to me. If you argue against a bot about a political matter, not knowing it’s a bot - you always lose on a long enough timeline. ie you can never pursuade the bot but it can wear you down / eventually find an argument that works. The only winning move is not to play. So I could see this having a chilling effect on all discourse Aside from the whole skynet thing the ab…
You may not ever be able to persuade a bot, but you can identify if it is capable of repudiating your points or not. You can ascertain if it is arguing in good faith and chose to end an argument if it isn’t.
When you say “find an argument that works” isn’t this just saying that they’ve said something you find persuasive?
What’s wrong with this? How is this different to any other argument in good faith?
Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’
#127Really don’t like the idea that we will act as interfaces for the AI, I honestly believe it will only many the majority of people lazier and dumber. I’m also incredibly shocked that no one is talking about AI as a friend/companion, that has to not be good for you in the long run. Humans need real human connection, AI is too artificial for that (duh). Having AI friends will be equivalent to consuming fast food instead…
> Having AI friends will be equivalent to consuming fast food instead of healthy home cooked meals growing up A person who is starving will do better with fast food than with no food at all. It's far from ideal, but for some people this will make their lives marginally more tolerable.
This ignores that the person is only starving because of the horrible things we have allowed capital to do to enrich themselves.
Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’
#128> Michael Graziano, a professor of psychology and neuroscience at Princeton University, says he thinks AI could create a “post-truth world.” He says it will likely make it significantly easier to convince people of false narratives, which will be disruptive in many ways Significantly easier? I would have thought that it would get harder to convince people of anything.
Sometimes I think the fears of extremely convincing AI-generated post-truths influencing public opinion are greatly overblown. People is already brain-washed by poorly made, low resolution JPGs shared by bots in social networks, the entire AI stack is simply wasteful.
Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’
#129Earlier quoted context omitted.
> simulate human affection LLM sexbots could be pretty useful
Stuffing 25 RTX4090 into every anthropomorphic sex bot is the real growth potential that hasn't been priced in yet /s
Hmm, I think shared capacity in cloud might be enough? What fraction of time would you use one anyway? And wouldn't it be better if one was silent the other time?
Re: Humans aren’t mentally ready for an AI-saturated ‘post-truth world’
#130I feel that you could replace "AI-Saturated Post-Truth World" with any number of technological changes over the last 100 years and find a similar article at that time. I am impressed by LLMs and these more powerful AI agents, but I also have confidence that over the course of time their capabilities will become utterly boring and commonplace to my growing kids. In a generation their place in society will be as unspecial as a cell phone. The grander picture of the whole system is that we are building a society utterly incompatible with being a regular human person (The way we existed 3000+ years ago). I have no answer to that other than to identify that we already built a world no one is mentally ready for.