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Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

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Re: Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

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And the ballast is held on via electromagnets. Lose (or deliberately cut) power, you're going up.

Isn't this like a huge waste of energy?

It's nothing compared to amount of power to the engines, you don't need kilowatts to "just" hold a ballast

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Theranos is an outright fraud. Not the product of getting things done on fast track. They knew things could not be done and kept up the charade for long enough to profit off of it, and hopefully get away.

> Theranos is an outright fraud. Not the product of getting things done on fast track Theranos is product of the same culture. Company founder chases a goal they do not understand, and convinces investors its right around the corner. In actuality they have no clue. There is no foundamental difference between theranos diagnosis and tesla autopilot. The only reason we call theranos fraud is that we know conclusively th…

>There is no foundamental difference between theranos diagnosis and tesla autopilot.

But we're talking about submarine that already dived, not something that never had a chance of working in the first place

Re: Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

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> This controller is a metaphor for something that needs to immediately be regulated so that people like this can never get away with it again. There is something to be said for protecting people who would sign up for such an experience while misjudging the risk, or assuming that some government agency does provide oversight. Though, customers seem to have been informed that this is not the case: https://twitter.com/…

Sorry but that doesn't work in a reasonable society. You can't let just anyone do anything they want with the repercussions being 'they don't get rescued'. A few points: * You can't let rescue services decide who deserves to be rescued -- for so many obvious reasons it would be patronizing to list them * People with a lot of money and no sense can fuck things up on a massive scale if we let them do whatever they want…

In the general case that is more or less accurate. There are however a bunch of exceptions in the extreme case.

Rescue services do have a point where they will decide not to continue. During the Tham Luang cave rescue (the thai football boys that got stuck in a cave) there was a period where the rescue services decided that continuing was just too dangerous. It was only because of a handful private cave divers was crazy enough to try a exceptional dangerous idea that those children got out there alive, and had it failed then those cave divers would have basically received all the blame.

The case do illustrate how far into the extreme we have to go. The local rescue services gave up and gave the job to nation service. The national service gave up and gave it to the military (with international support). The military gave up, and then through almost a backdoor, a few individuals tried a Hail Mary attempt which against all odds worked well enough to get everyone home.

There are activities where people has to accept that rescue is limited or zero. If you go hiking in no man land then there is a real risk of rescue service not being able to locate you. People who attempt sailing around the world has the risk of being "lost to sea". Cave explorers both dry and wet has to accept that rescue attempts are done based on what is feasible. Same goes for wreck divers.

We could argue that those risky activities should be illegal (or shamed), but the counter argument is that a lot of activities are just inherently risky. Sports generate a huge amount of injuries. Motorcycles are viewed by health professionals as organ donor generators. Extreme sports are extreme, but they tend to also follow more rigorous training and certification in order to address those risk.

Re: Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

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There's a middle ground between "hardware store crap" and "custom." The aviation industry has plenty of standard interior lighting and environmental control system that's known not to light people on fire or short out or otherwise fail and kill somebody. https://www.collinsaerospace.com/what-we-do/industries/busin... These are still COTS products.

If you were to believed the movies, the Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS Flight Stick is the most common input method on any flying vehicle. :)

It is a good stick tho

Re: Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

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> Theranos is an outright fraud. Not the product of getting things done on fast track Theranos is product of the same culture. Company founder chases a goal they do not understand, and convinces investors its right around the corner. In actuality they have no clue. There is no foundamental difference between theranos diagnosis and tesla autopilot. The only reason we call theranos fraud is that we know conclusively th…

> we know conclusively that their goal is impossible No we only know that their approach was wrong. Here is a preprint of a paper describing detection of 12 different types of cancer from a single drop of blood: https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-2025767/v1

No, we know for a fact it is impossible.

The problem isn’t the volume of blood, it’s that blood drawn from finger capillaries is not a representative sample for diagnostic purposes. There are plenty of tests that are even more sensitive, but they require a proper sample drawn directly from a vein or artery.

Re: Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

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If you can't afford to qualify the components on your 4000m diving vehicle, you can't afford to make a 4000m diving vehicle. See: the fact that they lost their diving vehicle.

Pressure hull >> ballast control >> thrusters >> everything else I'm not sure why everyone is taking potshots at a company for trying something crazy with willing passengers . Everyone involved knew what they were getting into. Kudos to them for trying, even if they're dead. > See: the fact that they lost their diving vehicle. That's an awful lot of keyboard engineering, given nobody knows what happened yet.

> Everyone involved knew what they were getting into.

I'm sure everyone involved was expert on industrial design and were clued into what exact costs were cut /s

Re: Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

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The title seems like absolute clickbait, implying the $30 controller is at fault. Yes, I have read the article and this is not the case. It wouldn't even make sense anyway. But the title together with a mid two digit dollar number heavily try to imply this. The US military uses $49 XBox controllers for basically everything: Training CPGs, drone control hubs and drum roll submarines among a lot of other things. The only gist to take from this is that controllers make fantastic interfaces. Not sure why we need to spotlight this with a potential drama/disaster in relation to it's price.

Re: Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

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And the ballast is held on via electromagnets. Lose (or deliberately cut) power, you're going up.

Isn't this like a huge waste of energy?

I don't think weight is a huge issue for submarines (unlike say airplanes), so taking a few batteries along should be fine.

(I don't know anything about subs) you could even store a few batteries in the ballast.

Re: Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

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One shall not obsess with the game controller they use, I suppose, in their analysis, failing the controller wouldn't prevent the sub from resurfacing... It is symptomatic, however. The whole Silicon Valley is like that. You have the old guard, NASA, millions for fault analysis, rumors go the C code on some NASA rocket was certified at $1000 per line---human eyeballs reading it... All those start-ups and unicorns, th…

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Re: Submarine missing near Titanic used a $30 Logitech gamepad for steering

#880

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And the ballast is held on via electromagnets. Lose (or deliberately cut) power, you're going up.

Isn't this like a huge waste of energy?

Clear tradeoff for safety.
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