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Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Post by tnel77 »

fomine3 wrote: post #633
tnel77 wrote: post #259

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There’s a huge subset of people who just desperately want to “prove” that the popular company is bad. Apple bad, Tesla bad, etc.

Because fanboys are too verbose for hype

Fanboys also annoy me. The other side of the coin is that there are people who worship companies no matter what they do.

I personally prefer more of a “let’s judge each product on its own” sort of person. I love my iPhone and AirPods, but I don’t personally have any desire to own a Mac or the new Vision Pro.

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Post by flutas »

pkulak wrote: post #255
flutas wrote: post #243

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> I’ve personally enjoyed auto steer on every car I’ve driven not a Tesla. Some let you keep your hands off the wheel, and none of them phantom break every couple hundred miles, which is the ultimate deal breaker. I'm actually curious what systems you're using. I have very limited experience, I have a M3 and a 21 Corolla with Toyota's version. My M3 has never once just given up on the lanes and stopped steering, but…

Oh, yeah, that doesn’t bother me either. When the lanes get really faint and I have to drive for a bit, that’s fine. I guess it comes down to preference. I see it as assistance. I want a helper who maybe can’t do it all, but never fucks up.

I don't mind it happening, after all they are just assistants like you said, it's just the zero warning "I give up" that it seems to have. At least with Tesla's version it attempts to keep going while screaming at you to take over. The Toyota version just gives a small beep and by the time you figure out what the beep was it's given up completely and if you were unprepared (having your hands off the wheel[bad thing to do anyways, but a lot of people do it], only slightly following the road) you may be sliding into an adjacent lane.

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Post by survirtual »

dmitrygr wrote: post #676
wilg wrote: post #523

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The load is spread out in a completely different way than gas, because 100% of gas cars get gas at a station, while 80% of people with EVs slow-charge at home (or work or whatever). Fast chargers are for road-trips only. Obviously, if we're going to move to cleaner energy we will need infrastructure investment. Worrying that it's not already there makes no sense. The demand for improved electrical infrastructure will…

> while 80% of people with EVs slow-charge at home Suure... because 80% of people own a home where they can do heavy electrical modifications, and can afford the permits and the work. Not sure where you think that is, but in USA that it not even remotely true.

What you just said is very false.

Do you have a 120v outlet? Congrats, you can charge at home in ~40 hours for a full charge.

Do you have a 240v outlet? Congrats, you can charge at home in ~7 hours for a full charge (otherwise know as while sleeping).

Sure is difficult to get around town waking up with ~300 miles of range everyday!

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Post by vel0city »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #700
vel0city wrote: post #166

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> the NACS cable is so much more flexible and easier to manage. Nothing stops CCS from using smaller cables. Tesla tends to have cables which aren't rated for as long of lives with the plans on replacing them more often. Most CCS dispenser manufacturers chose beefier cables which were supposedly rated for longer lives, but environmental factors and people (ab)using the cables seems to lead to those cables not having…

Tesla has thin cables at some superchargers. These are liquid cooled so they can get away with smaller wires. No idea if CCS1 chargers are using liquid cooling.

Electrify America cables are ones where people routinely criticize for being overly bulky and hard to deal with. They're liquid cooled as well.

CCS1 chargers can (and often do) use liquid cooling. They can also support not liquid cooling the cables as well.

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Post by survirtual »

Alupis wrote: post #621
wilg wrote: post #523

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The load is spread out in a completely different way than gas, because 100% of gas cars get gas at a station, while 80% of people with EVs slow-charge at home (or work or whatever). Fast chargers are for road-trips only. Obviously, if we're going to move to cleaner energy we will need infrastructure investment. Worrying that it's not already there makes no sense. The demand for improved electrical infrastructure will…

> Obviously, if we're going to move to cleaner energy It is very unclear whether electric vehicles actually are more environmentally friendly. They sound great - but if you dig into where all the materials come from, it's shocking how externalized we've made that problem. It might be cleaner by time you get to drive it... but it's not cleaner to produce and operate, and in fact may be worse in some cases. Emissions a…

Short sighted and painfully false.

The major points have already been refuted by another poster. I want to just add that I can't comprehend how anyone could think taking a dump on all our lungs at every road is a good idea. In the future, people will look at it like the middle ages dumping all their human waste on the streets out their windows. In that same future, lung-related problems will nearly disappear as these toxic emissions cease to exist.

Centralizing dirty energy generation allows better regulation and control of it. It also allows converting that dirty energy to clean energy without any friction from consumers. You can power an EV using coal. You can also power it using nuclear or solar. What options to power a gasoline car do you have?

EVs also force the improvement of the power grid to be more resilient and modernized, instead of stagnant and lazy, to be sucked dry.

It is shocking how externalized the costs are with our reliance on oil -- technological stagnation, toxic fumes everywhere, literally heating of the entire planet, funding of backwards authoritarian governments, and the NOISE! Only a fool would support the continued usage of oil when EVs exist now.

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Post by NickM »

davrosthedalek wrote: post #448
jorvi wrote: post #184

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I always forget just how energy dense petroleum and its derivatives are..

Yes. One of the usual YT channels had this interesting picture. Gas mileage is miles per gallon. Or in this case, do it the European way: l/100km. The unit of that is an area. Typically a rather small one, ca 0.1mm^2. That's the area of a trench you have to dig along your path if you want to supply your car from the trench instead of your gas tank.

That doesn’t make any sense to me. The amount of fuel a trench can hold is its volume, not its area.

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Post by easyThrowaway »

legulere wrote: post #601
Y_Y wrote: post #180

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An electric kettle can draw about 3kW, I've only once seen a home with a limit this absurdly low

Apparently there exists even 1.5 kW in Italy: https://tariffe.segugio.it/guide-e-strumenti/domande-frequen...

I've lived in north Italy for a while, the 3-phase 240v was uncommon but easily available if required. I guess the main issue are the southern parts of the country and the islands. Even then, most touristy housing locations were surprisingly modern in this regard though.

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Post by _ea1k »

mavhc wrote: post #716
_ea1k wrote: post #369

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Arguably, those are !NACS at all. It wasn't called NACS until the specs were delivered, along with the requirement to support CCS signaling.

Yeah, October 2020 is the time they started adding CCS compatible ECU. Surprised it's not a software update, it's just a new protocol. Is there a voltage difference? Or is the ECU 3rd party? At least with Tesla's exponential sales the number of people it affects will be smaller. 1 million out of 4 million I think

Yeah, there's a different controller inside the charge port. From what I've seen, it isn't a difficult upgrade and the part is unrestricted.

I've been estimating the % of affected cars as ~20% at this point and the % that is capable is steadily increasing.

Still an annoyance if you have one of the vehicles without support, but they are no worse off than before. The supercharger network has roughly doubled since then too.

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Post by SllX »

ShadowBanThis01 wrote: post #713
SllX wrote: post #688

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> So now, once again, the USA adopts a "standard" shunned by the rest of the world. Maybe I could have the wrong read, but this sentence structure: > the USA… shunned by the rest of the world. Does two things: it implies there's a standard "the rest of the world" has agreed on (there isn't, and there never is, it's one of the things that makes the world big ) and it signals you as probably one of the two types of peo…

That's a lot of cogitating on my motives. I'm just an American who hates dealing with non-standard "standards." I hated it with SCSI's connector fiasco. I hated how Sony undermined Firewire (oh, and AES/EBU before that, and kept pushing their MemoryStick long after the world had settled on SD), and that USB failed to learn from the idiocy of SCSI's connector fiasco. And don't even get me started on Lightning. And the…

Fair enough, Dongletown sucks. It’s a common enough thing on this forum that was the optics as I saw it, but additional context helps.

As far as CCS2 goes, or actually CCS Types I and II, there’s already a split between continents and regions on that one; and then there’s CHAdeMO and GB/T which are in active use. CCS aspired to be a global standard but it was never going to get there, not on this planet. There’s also another standard called MCS in development.

Still a better situation than wall outlets.

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

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Post by somewhat_drunk »

NickM wrote: post #726
davrosthedalek wrote: post #448

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. One of the usual YT channels had this interesting picture. Gas mileage is miles per gallon. Or in this case, do it the European way: l/100km. The unit of that is an area. Typically a rather small one, ca 0.1mm^2. That's the area of a trench you have to dig along your path if you want to supply your car from the trench instead of your gas tank.

That doesn’t make any sense to me. The amount of fuel a trench can hold is its volume, not its area.

Probably means cross-sectional area.
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