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Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by highmastdon »

janalsncm wrote: post #31

Reddit could have avoided all of this years ago by building out the tools that moderators claim to need. Instead, they relied on third parties to create them. Doing this would have nullified mods’ strongest justification for protesting. While removing 3rd party apps is certainly annoying for users, mods are what keep the site functioning. The fact that Reddit chose to take this course of action tells me that they don…

With this in mind there’s still a viable business for third party apps; build an app so good for mods that they want to pay for it to cover the API costs. I know, it’s the undesired solution for regular users, but the goal of Reddit is to move everyone who doesn’t pay to the main channels.

I still agree Reddit is making a deck move by doing this. I’m still using Alien Blue and even though there’s been no updates it still works, and will probably break when the new API structure lands, of which I’m really sad. I will probably not be using Reddit at all anymore as this is the only entry I’ve had for the past decade.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by [deleted] »

jonesnc wrote: post #799
tolmasky wrote: post #713

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Full disclosure, I use the main Reddit app. I don't think that I've ever installed a different app. That being said, I think it's actually pretty crazy that Apollo is #10 (in News). It's not clear that being 8 spots higher is that much of an accomplishment considering the site itself is constantly pestering you to install it, and the Reddit app can be used completely for free vs. the Apollo app requiring you to pay (…

> and the Reddit app can be used completely for free vs. the Apollo app requiring you to pay I've been using Apollo for free for years, you don't need to pay for it.

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Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by chwa982 »

spazx wrote: post #109

Smelled this one coming miles away. Next, they'll hand over fan-built communities to the entities that own the IPs they're dedicated to. Eg. r/starwars to Disney, r/startrek to Viacom/Paramount, etc. Then, old.reddit.com will stop working spontaneously, just like how they toyed with killing mobile browser access to force users to download the app, which they probably will eventually. That's going to be the final push…

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Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by proto_lambda »

OJFord wrote: post #559
proto_lambda wrote: post #500

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> Not a rhetorical question: have any companies done this successfully? Telegram does this, and I think they're successful with it.

Telegram? But there's no ads in the official app - are you saying they require them in third-party apps in order to make them a worse experience and push people back to the official one/make money from them if they don't? That'd be.. interesting, but I think I assume you meant something else, not Telegram?

There are ads in the official apps - they appear similar to regular messages in large channels (telegram's few-to-many/broadcasting offering)

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by KingOfCoders »

freddie_mercury wrote: post #43
KingOfCoders wrote: post #16

If you don't pay for it, it's not your community. Again and again people think they get something for free, which they don't. If it's free you're a volunteer for the company, if you pay you're a customer.

Paying for it doesn't make it your community, either, whatever that even means. Just look at the old AOL keywords. People paid for AOL. Didn't matter. Even in a community, the majority can choose to do things you don't like, just ask anyone who lives in an HOA.

AOL moderators didn't pay from my recollection. And they were therefor screwed the same way Reddit moderators were (My neighbour back then was an AOL moderator, forgot how they were called)

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by slikrick »

stcroixx wrote: post #720
CSMastermind wrote: post #209

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I'd be fine with some kind of election mechanism built into subreddits settings that could be turned on to allow community member to vote on mods. With that said consider a subreddit for a podcast or youtube channel where the host/channel might legitimately want to have total control over moderation and I don't think it'd be appropriate to remove them. Also consider that the vast majority of subreddits are moderated…

The host of a podcast having total control of a community seems like the perfect example of illegitimate control. I'd assume they'd remove any critical discussion to the point it would devolve into their own personal website where all it's good for is promoting the product. Users with anything critical to say would be banned, posts removed. That's about as anti user as it gets.

then those people can make their own different sub, there is no need to completely take over and remove a moderator team.

that has been the standard in all of reddits history.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by photonerd »

yanderekko wrote: post #741
olalonde wrote: post #302

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I'd argue that Reddit is even more ideologically biased, especially on the largest subs. Personally, I quite enjoy both sites although they do have different types of content.

A lot of people on the left basically can't imagine a social media platform being good unless it heavily restricts right-wing speech/expression.

Literally every series study—and meta study—shows that social media platforms have a strong right wing bias, and have for years.

The right lives off a fictional persecution complex tho so… your comment is hardly a surprise, or original.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by photonerd »

1attice wrote: post #292
photonerd wrote: post #244

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Twitter absolutely is. If it’s not bots, article spam, or ads, it’s the crazy MAGA-crowd jerking themselves off over their fake-outrage of the moment. It’s an absolute ghost town in terms of engaging, original, content. Their user numbers are obviously buoyed by absolute junk accounts and it’s been obviously so since Musk fired most of the company. FB is a boomer & genX meme-pocalypse that’s absolutely slathered with…

I agree with you on all points, except to nuance your last: (1) This may not be true of other parts of the world, and in particular, it may not be true of countries outside the 'anglosphere'. (Anyone care to report on international FB health?) (2) Even within the Anglosphere, there are still very specific pockets of FB which are viable. In my experience, they are usually attached to queer community and/or leftist org…

Yeah, that’s all absolutely fair. That is, however, a problem for most platforms as—generally-the Anglosphere (or at least that plus Western Europe) is the paying customer.

Pivoting to cater to/exploit that market is not really possible for most of them now either.

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Post by photonerd »

yanderekko wrote: post #734
photonerd wrote: post #244

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Twitter absolutely is. If it’s not bots, article spam, or ads, it’s the crazy MAGA-crowd jerking themselves off over their fake-outrage of the moment. It’s an absolute ghost town in terms of engaging, original, content. Their user numbers are obviously buoyed by absolute junk accounts and it’s been obviously so since Musk fired most of the company. FB is a boomer & genX meme-pocalypse that’s absolutely slathered with…

"Ugh. This place is such a ghost town that it even has Republicans and old people."

But you repeat yourself.

No, it’s mostly just those. If you want to spend all your time in The Villages, feel free. Most sane people do not.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Post by photonerd »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #579
photonerd wrote: post #244

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Twitter absolutely is. If it’s not bots, article spam, or ads, it’s the crazy MAGA-crowd jerking themselves off over their fake-outrage of the moment. It’s an absolute ghost town in terms of engaging, original, content. Their user numbers are obviously buoyed by absolute junk accounts and it’s been obviously so since Musk fired most of the company. FB is a boomer & genX meme-pocalypse that’s absolutely slathered with…

This is not true in developing countries. From my experience, the poorer a country, the more likely you are to see extensive, serious use of Facebook. And the revenue growth opportunity is huge for FB in these places. It is already flat or slightly negative in highly advanced countries.

That’s a fair point, but losing one to gain the other (which is what’s happening at Twitter) is not a good strategy either.
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