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Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

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Post by pentagrama »

ddq wrote: post #95
pentagrama wrote: post #85

And (for me at least) the Save to Watch Later button is no more when hovering the video thumbnail on the Subscriptions feed [1] :/ Now is behind the three dots drop-down menu, not as handy as before. [1] https://www.youtube.com/feed/subscriptions (you must be logged in)

Making a quick queue from a selection of suggestions should really be YT’s bread and buttery, especially if they’re pivoting to a shorts focus, yet they removed that button (for me at least). I used that button all the time, it made it quick and easy to basically program my own block of television. Hope it comes back or I’ll have to look for an extension.

But at least for me is still appearing, when hovering on each video row > three dots button appear > click on three dots button > Save to Watch Later is on the options list.

Screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/oZFG5eN

Hope it appears for you too, is a bit hard to find.

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

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Post by jhawleypeters »

ninkendo wrote: post #100
KeepFlying wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's anything like redesign work I'm used to, someone redesigned and just happened to remove it with little reason for it. Then the numbers went up as people had to scroll so they assumed everyone loved the redesign and didn't question why.

I think this hints at a concept I find very hard to articulate about letting metrics guide your design. You set out with metrics that seem plausible, you work to improve them, and if they do improve, you call the design a success. But then it actually turns out the metrics were no good in the first place because they “improve” for scenarios where you’ve most certainly made the user experience worse. Metrics proponent…

Goodheart’s law may not precisely capture what you’re getting at, but seems closely related

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

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Post by eddythompson80 »

FullstakBlogger wrote: post #81
IIAOPSW wrote: post #54

youtube is quickly approaching feature parity with mid 2000s youtube. Same for Google maps and even Gmail.

I can't wait for them to bring back the old related videos list. When is the last time you've heard someone use the term "youtube rabbit hole"? The effect is so lost, people who never experienced it don't even use the term wrongly to describe how things are now.

They removed it for a reason. Hard to imagine having the rabbit hole effect while avoiding all the negatives of it too.

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

cesarvarela wrote: post #115

I would love to be able to hide Shorts for good instead of having to do it every 30 days. I wonder what technical issue is preventing them to accomplish such task.

There is no technical issue, they realized that shorts make them more money, so they are pushing that.

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

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Post by jamespullar »

cesarvarela wrote: post #115

I would love to be able to hide Shorts for good instead of having to do it every 30 days. I wonder what technical issue is preventing them to accomplish such task.

I doubt it's a technical issue. The current YouTube CEO, Neal Mohan, has made a big push for Shorts. This is almost certainly a business decision.

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

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Post by chii »

cesarvarela wrote: post #115

I would love to be able to hide Shorts for good instead of having to do it every 30 days. I wonder what technical issue is preventing them to accomplish such task.

there's a ublock list that specifically hides shorts : https://github.com/gijsdev/ublock-hide-yt-shorts

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

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Post by ehnto »

ninkendo wrote: post #100
KeepFlying wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's anything like redesign work I'm used to, someone redesigned and just happened to remove it with little reason for it. Then the numbers went up as people had to scroll so they assumed everyone loved the redesign and didn't question why.

I think this hints at a concept I find very hard to articulate about letting metrics guide your design. You set out with metrics that seem plausible, you work to improve them, and if they do improve, you call the design a success. But then it actually turns out the metrics were no good in the first place because they “improve” for scenarios where you’ve most certainly made the user experience worse. Metrics proponent…

Engagement is a nuanced metric for that reason. Am I engaged because I am enjoying the product or is it just taking me longer to achieve things because the UX is bad.
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