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YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

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Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

#51
Does anyone have any self hosted YouTube __playlist__ recommendations? Downloading tends to be the focus and that isn't important to me. I like to save videos for later with my watch later playlist, but it is unmanageable. Not easy to delete or sort or search. YouTube could be so much better in terms of playlist management.

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

#52

Confirmed. Now I'm just curious what the justification was for removing it, because it baffles me. The option was removed as part of a general UX refresh that moved from a sort drop-down to pill buttons -- this general drop-down -> pill thing seeming to be a general trend on apps and websites now. But it's hard to imagine why it was removed in the first place. Saving a minuscule amount money by reducing views of less…

I'm guessing someone (or something) made the argument that forcing people to scroll through every video uploaded to a channel just to get to the oldest ones "increased engagement"

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

#53

I so wish youtube would have a more powerful search. Can I have something better then 'longer then 20min'? Like there are tons of things that go up to 3h or more. And often I might want 1h content but the 'longer then 20min' shows tons of stuff that is some 22min video.

I have noticed a pattern by YouTube's algorithm with long videos. When I play a long video, for example synthwave music to get myself nostalgic with the '80s, I can see the suggested videos on my right are either of the same range or even longer than expected! You cannot imagine how many diamonds I have discovered like that, which makes me very happy! ^_^

You know, I've noticed the same thing but I never really "noticed" it, if you follow. It's almost like they bin the videos by length in the suggestion algorithm.

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...and the dislike counting! I don't want to depend on an extension to know whether a video worth to watch or not.

The problem with dislike counting is that the customers of Youtube (advertisers) do not want it, because they are spooked to have their ads associated with perceived negativity.

Advertisers have always had ways to block likes and dislikes. The problem was that dislike counts were abused by people driving dislikes on videos for inauthentic reasons (YouTuber supports cause X, we disagree with X, therefore let's all go dislike all of this YouTuber's videos). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote_brigading

Removing public dislike counts takes a good amount of wind out of such campaigns

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

#56
post #51

Does anyone have any self hosted YouTube __playlist__ recommendations? Downloading tends to be the focus and that isn't important to me. I like to save videos for later with my watch later playlist, but it is unmanageable. Not easy to delete or sort or search. YouTube could be so much better in terms of playlist management.

The best suggestion for you would be to use SMplayer and create a new playlist in it with the video links you want to watch later and never fear of messing things up.

It uses either youtube-dl or yt-dlp behind the scenes for playing the videos while downloading them on the fly, so it works flawlessly in cases like yours.

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem with dislike counting is that the customers of Youtube (advertisers) do not want it, because they are spooked to have their ads associated with perceived negativity.

They really need to fix this, because I have lost counting how many times I've got click-baited with a video that contained either violence in it or its content was completely unrelated to its thumbnail...therefore a visible dislike counter would have saved me from giving them views when they should have removed them from the platform as a whole. If any YouTube developer is reading this, please fix this dangerous beh…

When they removed public dislike counts, I don't think a visible dislike counter has been visible next to the thumbnail. You'd still have gotten clickbaited for the same reasons back then.

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

#59

Confirmed. Now I'm just curious what the justification was for removing it, because it baffles me. The option was removed as part of a general UX refresh that moved from a sort drop-down to pill buttons -- this general drop-down -> pill thing seeming to be a general trend on apps and websites now. But it's hard to imagine why it was removed in the first place. Saving a minuscule amount money by reducing views of less…

I think inexperienced developers fall into the trap of implementing whatever they are told to, probably to show that they can. I think it's important that developers think about what they're being requested to do, and suggest alternatives if it makes the software crappier from the user's perspective.

Re: YouTube: Sort by oldest is back baby

#60

I so wish youtube would have a more powerful search. Can I have something better then 'longer then 20min'? Like there are tons of things that go up to 3h or more. And often I might want 1h content but the 'longer then 20min' shows tons of stuff that is some 22min video.

Also when I search, it shows me about 5 search results, 5 videos related to my search that I may like, and then... recommendations?
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