Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

ev-edition.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

661–670 of 761 posts

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

#661

Post by canadianfella »

MetaWhirledPeas wrote: post #585
nilsbunger wrote: post #512

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But will the CCS be as fast at charging ? It seems like Tesla could control a lot with their proprietary connector if it has a faster charge rate.

> But will the CCS be as fast at charging ? It seems like Tesla could control a lot with their proprietary connector if it has a faster charge rate. Tesla is supporting CCS because that's what the bureaucratic funding dictates, not because anyone believes CCS will succeed. They will (and should) do the bare minimum.

[dead]

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

#662

Post by revscat »

carcostthrow wrote: post #631
revscat wrote: post #607

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A Tesla Model 3 at the same level insurance would could me $6014 a year before taxes. I find that incredibly difficult to believe. According to [1], the average cost to insure a Model 3 is $2500, which tracks with what I am paying. Who quoted you $6k/year? [1] https://www.forbes.com/advisor/car-insurance/vehicles/tesla/...

TD Insurance and Intact as well as a from an insurance broker.

I just got on Intact’s website and got a quote for one John Smith, 18 year old male from Branford, Ontario. John wanted a quote on a Tesla Model 3 Performance. Their quote was $3200/year.

You want to try and explain why it is that you are getting quotes that are twice that of the highest risk drivers?

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

#663

Post by sngz »

exw wrote: post #647
mkozlows wrote: post #474

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did. It was CCS. Everyone except Tesla was on board to using it, and it was widely viewed as the standard going forward, and even Tesla was retro-fitting its chargers with CCS ("Magic Dock"), and presumably would one day switch its cars over. Then Tesla pulled a fast one on the morons at GM and Ford, who signed stupid deals that handed the future back to Tesla, and now the only question is whether Tesla consolid…

> It's always curious to see someone with such strong conviction that somehow they have an insight, without access to any of the information involved in negotiating this partnership, that the various folks at GM and Ford failed to see.

I agree with you but to be fair they fail to see a lot of things other than their stock price

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

#664

Post by lttlrck »

KaiserPro wrote: post #492
traceroute66 wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Please don't generalize "Europe" when you aren't sure. (Also goes for the GP.) I have three-phase power in an 80m² apartment, as that's standard in Denmark. Now now kids, play nicely. ;-) I think the underlying question we should really be asking here is not willy-waving over whether you have a three-phase supply or not, but rather how large your main fuse is (there's a euphemism for you !). I'm not familiar with D…

> TL;DR you're still not going to have a supercharger at home any time soon. true, but a three phase CCS will do 22kw. the EU has the advantage that 240v needs half the current to get the same power as the US

Homes in most of the US get 3-phase 240v (120 0 -120) at the panel and it's split into 120v for most of the outlets. Some outlets are 240v (oven, dryer).

So it's straightforward to get a 240V charger installed.

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

#665

Post by damon_c »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #587
pseudosavant wrote: post #515

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've had EVs for 7+ years now and have plenty of experience with J1772, Chaedmo, and CCS. All I can say is thank heavens Tesla's connector is getting adopted! It is the only connector that seems like it was designed with the ease-of-use regular people expect - not what us early adopter EV people will put up with. This kind of friction does impede adoption too.

As someone who has only ever used J1772/CCS, can you explain a bit more? I mean, it's just a plug that I stick into my car - I find the newer US home AC electric outlets with the automatic "safety shutters" harder to plug into than a CCS connector, so I don't really understand what friction you're referring to.

One concrete thing that is better about the Tesla connector is that there are no moving parts that user needs to manipulate.

Tesla/NACs connector is just stick it in and it works... the car holds onto it until it is done or you tell it to let go.

I don't think I've ever seen a public J1772 connector that had a functional spring in the little thumbpress/lock/turn on thing which means if you don't know you need to stick a key or pen cap, or squeeze really hard to pry the little fucking plastic tab up to the lock position, it just won't work.

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

#666

Post by Nick87633 »

iknowstuff wrote: post #561
bisby wrote: post #554

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are the chargers/ports on cars easy enough to swap out, or are we manufacturing ewaste? If I were to buy a car with CCS today, and then in 2024, NACS wins, and all cars going forward have NACS, and all charging stations change to NACS as a result... In the year 2030, can I get the port upgraded, are the changing stations obligated to support CCS indefinitely, is there an adapter I can just keep in my car for NACS->CC…

They all speak the CCS protocol so it’s a matter of a simple passive adapter.

At some high level of charging speed, won't the adapter need active cooling and temperature monitoring?

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

#667

Post by TexanFeller »

vegardx wrote: post #462
claar wrote: post #445

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just a nit pick: 10A @ 240V isn't enough to charge my Tesla Model Y overnight from empty - but 30A @ 240V (7.2kW) is.

Most people don't drive 500km per day, the average is closer to 50 or so. So on average, you could easily top of your battery pack on 240V/10A circuit. That would be around 10kWh, which you'll do in 5 hours. Double the average and you'll still be topped up next morning.

Many people often travel regularly, like I do to visit family 150mi away. It would sure be nice to be able to charge while I'm at their house at a rate that would fill me back up. Range and charging speed matters, y'all shouldn't be just hand waving it away.

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

#668

Post by bombcar »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #649
bombcar wrote: post #538

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should have some brand of car install both plugs (as I understand the smarts are in the car, the plug is basically a dumb electrical connection) and then after a year or two see which people are using.

My understanding is that installing both is basically 2x the complexity. What's on the other side of the plug is fairly different between NACS and CCS

Is that “double the price of the car” or “an extra 100/200” or somewhere in between.

Because I could see people taking the option.

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

#669

Post by shmoe »

Robotbeat wrote: post #422
shmoe wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like you said, the law of numbers.. if a Tesla stall is out theres usually 7 others to choose from. Any other network may have one or no alternatives (they're all broken sometimes).

Right, and Tesla is speedy to fix broken ones usually. And an occasional bad charger isn’t a huge deal (I talked to an electrician who was servicing one of them). Gas stations regularly have non-working pumps, and I suspect those are more expensive to fix. The Tesla approach is really another level for charging compared to everyone else. And even the mobile chargers & Level 2 destination chargers are better.

Yup, this is a huge win for electrification all around. The future is bright(er).

Re: Rivian embraces Tesla's charging standard for EVs

#670

Post by carcostthrow »

revscat wrote: post #662
carcostthrow wrote: post #631

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TD Insurance and Intact as well as a from an insurance broker.

I just got on Intact’s website and got a quote for one John Smith, 18 year old male from Branford, Ontario. John wanted a quote on a Tesla Model 3 Performance. Their quote was $3200/year. You want to try and explain why it is that you are getting quotes that are twice that of the highest risk drivers?

You are right. I mistakenly failed to pay the parking meter on time 7 or 8 years and was issued a ticket. Of course I threw myself at the mercy of the courts; a simple mix up of days I pleaded. It was not the statutory holiday I thought it had been that would have waived the parking fees. And I paid my ticket immediately. But they would have none of it. So unforgivable was my crime, so heinous, so far murder or rape, that there could only be one punishment that could be appropriate for my sin; to be executed.

I await on death row now. The chosen method of execution is to be killed by old age 60 or 70 years from now, being withered and worn by the ravages of time. Most cruelly in the interim, I am expected to work a 37 hour work for 48 weeks out of the year in grueling conditions. A climate controlled office with an ergonomic chair in front of a computer with Visual Studio Code open.

Sometimes it seems like if it would not have been kinder to simply kill me there and then. Those days I ask myself why they keep me here. Just to suffer?

tl;dr

No accidents, no claims, no criminal activity on record except the one parking ticket. I don't pretend to comprehend why the quotes are that way for me.

In comparison my current SUV is $1100 a year same level of coverage as that quote. Just for fun I got a quote for an 2022 Acura NSX a while ago and it was $1500 a year, and the NSX is quite a bit more expensive then a Model 3.

Post reply on HN