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I am an EV user. My connection is not Tesla compatible. I wish the government would prod manufacturers to create a common connection for all EVs the same way there is a common gas intake for all gas powered vehicles.
That should have been done years ago. And "prod" should have been "required." ball = dropped So now, once again, the USA adopts a "standard" shunned by the rest of the world.
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That should have been done years ago. And "prod" should have been "required." ball = dropped So now, once again, the USA adopts a "standard" shunned by the rest of the world.
I guess Japan and China don’t exist in your world.
But, to be fair, the Chinese were still watching movies on CD-I well into the 2000s. So I admit to marginalizing their choice on anything.
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BES was possibly a more significant part of RIM's than the charger infrastructure is to Tesla. Opening the charger infrastructure is just them defining their moat, really. Tesla will still sell cars but more importantly they'll keep collecting usage data that they'll resell to the highest bidder.
When Tesla sells someone a car for $50k, what do you think is the value of the data on how often they charge it? $20? Surely it can never be a significant revenue stream.
To be fair, GM expects $20 billion to $25 billion a year in revenue by 2030. Who knows how much customer data is worth but they seem to think it's worth the expense.
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>I wish the government would prod manufacturers to create a common connection That is exactly why this is happening. Tesla is expanding their network and opening it to more manufacturers in pursuit of a $7.5bn federal funding program.[0] >the new rules, issued after nearly eight months of debate...seeks to give consumers unfettered access to a growing coast-to-coast network of EV charging stations, including Tesla's…
But will the CCS be as fast at charging ? It seems like Tesla could control a lot with their proprietary connector if it has a faster charge rate.
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#1 ; MAKE ALL PLUGINS A STANDARD. FULL FN STOP #2 ; PROVIDE A RECEIPT OF WHERE THAT POWER CAME FROM. FULL FN STOP Where is that energy produced, what are the inputs? How much FN fuel was consumed to deliver that energy to the energy-plant which fed the port to which my e-car hooked up to, WHO TH HECK IS CALCULATING THIS DATA?
> #2 ; PROVIDE A RECEIPT OF WHERE THAT POWER CAME FROM. FULL FN STOP This isn’t really possible other than in a probabilistic sense, you can’t keep track of where particular electrons are in the grid.
In 2004 I was designing the data center for LucasFilm's CTO... CTO
And he asked me why I couldnt provide power-to-the-desktop via FIBER
In a really high profile mtg...
All I could do was look around the room from side-to-side....
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#1 ; MAKE ALL PLUGINS A STANDARD. FULL FN STOP #2 ; PROVIDE A RECEIPT OF WHERE THAT POWER CAME FROM. FULL FN STOP Where is that energy produced, what are the inputs? How much FN fuel was consumed to deliver that energy to the energy-plant which fed the port to which my e-car hooked up to, WHO TH HECK IS CALCULATING THIS DATA?
> Where is that energy produced, what are the inputs? You'd pretty much just have to look up the averages for the grid in your area. The pixies on the wires get all mixed up in the big pipes, its not like the wires from the car just go straight to a single power plant. > WHO TH HECK IS CALCULATING THIS DATA? In the US, the EIA along with local state agencies and grid operators. https://www.eia.gov/
I love this phrase more than you can imagine.
WHERE THE HECK ARE ALL THESE ELECTRONS COMING FROM?????!!!!!
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If it's possible for NACS to support 800V charging then that is not really a very meaningful advantage of CCS, is it? I think Tesla themselves will eventually switch to 800v at some point. V3 Superchargers have liquid cooled cables, that's why they are thinner than V2 cables. V4 has even crazier liquid cooling, where the conductors are directly immersed in the coolant.
Sure it can support higher voltage in a new revision, but that means currently deployed chargers have an inferior design in that aspect, doesn't it?
It's tough to bring currently deployed chargers to CCS's defence, given most deployed chargers are Tesla's.
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#1 ; MAKE ALL PLUGINS A STANDARD. FULL FN STOP #2 ; PROVIDE A RECEIPT OF WHERE THAT POWER CAME FROM. FULL FN STOP Where is that energy produced, what are the inputs? How much FN fuel was consumed to deliver that energy to the energy-plant which fed the port to which my e-car hooked up to, WHO TH HECK IS CALCULATING THIS DATA?
> #2 ; PROVIDE A RECEIPT OF WHERE THAT POWER CAME FROM. FULL FN STOP This isn’t really possible other than in a probabilistic sense, you can’t keep track of where particular electrons are in the grid.
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I've had EVs for 7+ years now and have plenty of experience with J1772, Chaedmo, and CCS. All I can say is thank heavens Tesla's connector is getting adopted! It is the only connector that seems like it was designed with the ease-of-use regular people expect - not what us early adopter EV people will put up with. This kind of friction does impede adoption too.
As someone who has only ever used J1772/CCS, can you explain a bit more? I mean, it's just a plug that I stick into my car - I find the newer US home AC electric outlets with the automatic "safety shutters" harder to plug into than a CCS connector, so I don't really understand what friction you're referring to.
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The fastest chargers today are CCS.
It's a wash, basically. The fastest CCS chargers are ~360KW, and Tesla Supercharger V4 will apparently support 350KW within a year.