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You're not going to get even close to Midjourney or even Bing quality on SD without finetuning. It's that simple. When you do finetune, it will be restricted to that aesthetic and you won't get the same prompt understanding or adherence. For all the promise of control and customization SD boasts, Midjourney beats it hands down in sheer quality. There's a reason like 99% of ai art comic creators stick to Midjourney de…
Yet you are posting this in a thread where GP provided actual examples of the opposite. Look for another comment above/below, there are MJ-generated samples which are comparable but also less coherent than the result from a much smaller SD model. And in case of MJ hallucinations cannot be fixed. MJ is good but it isn't magic, it just provides quick results with little experience required; prompt understanding is stil…
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Yet you are posting this in a thread where GP provided actual examples of the opposite. Look for another comment above/below, there are MJ-generated samples which are comparable but also less coherent than the result from a much smaller SD model. And in case of MJ hallucinations cannot be fixed. MJ is good but it isn't magic, it just provides quick results with little experience required; prompt understanding is stil…
>Yet you are posting this in a thread where GP provided actual examples of the opposite. Opposite of what ? OP posts results from a tuned model.
>For all the promise of control and customization SD boasts, Midjourney beats it hands down in sheer quality.
The results are comparable, but MJ in this comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36409043 hallucinates more (look at the roofs in the second picture). And it cannot be fixed, maybe except for an upscale making it a bit more coherent. Until MJ obtains better tooling (which it might in the next iteration), it won't be as powerful. I'm not even starting on complex compositions, which it simply cannot do.
>OP posts results from a tuned model.
Yes, which is the first step you should do with SD, as it's a much smaller and less capable model.
Since the author didn't have access to Midjourney, here's the first two prompts in MJ with default settings (not upscaled): https://imgur.com/a/siQG06O https://imgur.com/a/vp2oOHu
thanks for sharing this, do you mind if I include this in the post. I will credit you of course (let me know what you'd like linked to). update: I've edited the post to include these results as well
For reference, here's what you can get with a properly tweaked Stable Diffusion, all running locally on my PC. Can be set up on almost any PC with a mid range GPU in a few minutes if you know what you're doing. I didn't do any cherry picking; this is the first thing it generated. 4 images per prompt. 1st prompt: https://i.postimg.cc/T3nZ9bQy/1st.png 2nd prompt: https://i.postimg.cc/XNFm3dSs/2nd.png 3rd prompt: https:…
I am sure you're right, but "if you know what you're doing" does a lot of heavy lifting here. We could just as easily say "hosting your own email can be set up in a few minutes if you know what you're doing". I could do that, but I couldn't get local SD to generate comparable images if my life depended on it.
screenshot of the options interface: https://stash.cass.xyz/drawthings-1687292611.png
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Is there a coherent resource (not a scattered 'just google it' series of guides from all over the place) that encapsulates some of the concepts and workflows you're describing? What would be the best learning site/resource for arriving at understanding how to integrate and manipulate SD with precision like that? Thanks
> What would be the best learning site/resource for arriving at understanding how to integrate and manipulate SD with precision like that? Honestly? Probably YouTube tutorials.
I'm going to sound like an entitled whiny old guy shouting at clouds, but - what the hell; with all the knowledge being either locked and churned on Discord, or released in form of YouTube videos with no transcript and extremely low content density - how is anyone with a job supposed to keep up with this? Or is that a new form of gatekeeping - if you can't afford to burn a lot of time and attention as if in some kind of Proof of Work scheme, you're not allowed to play with the newest toys?
I mean, Discord I can sort of get - chit-chatting and shitposting is easier than writing articles or maintaining wikis, and it kind of grows organically from there. But YouTube? Surely making a video takes 10-100x the effort and cost, compared to writing an article with some screenshots, while also being 10x more costly to consume (in terms of wasted time and strained attention). How does that even work?
Midjurney is still so far ahead it's no competition. Did a lot of testing today and firefly generated so much errors with fingers and stuff, not seen that since the original stability release. Anyone know if the web firefly and the Photoshop version is the same model?
It's worth noting the difference in how the training material is sourced though, Midjourney is using indiscriminate web scrapes while Firefly is taking the conservative approach of only using images that Adobe holds a license for. Midjourney has the Sword of Damocles hanging over its head that depending on how legal precedent shakes out, its output might end up being too tainted for commercial purposes, and Adobe is…
If I create a Mickey Mouse using photoshop would adobe be liable for it?
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It's worth noting the difference in how the training material is sourced though, Midjourney is using indiscriminate web scrapes while Firefly is taking the conservative approach of only using images that Adobe holds a license for. Midjourney has the Sword of Damocles hanging over its head that depending on how legal precedent shakes out, its output might end up being too tainted for commercial purposes, and Adobe is…
Would mid-journey be liable though? I mean you can create copyrighted material using photoshop too. (Even paint!). If I create a Mickey Mouse using photoshop would adobe be liable for it?
Amazing how quickly Dalle-2 went from among the best image transformers to among the worst.
