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Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Post by famouswaffles »

Sharlin wrote: post #31
famouswaffles wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody is able to use Parti or eDiff. Compared to models you can use, the experimental Dall-e or Bing Image Creator is second only to midjourney in my experience.

I haven't tried those two, but I'd be surprised if they were better than Stable Diffusion. Which is free, runnable (and trainable!) locally, and already has a large ecosystem of frontends, tweaks and customized models.

Believe me, i know all about SD's possible customization and tweaks.

I would still easily put both ahead of the base models. You won't match the quality of those models without finetuning. When you do fine-tune, it'll be for a particular aesthetic and you won't match them in terms of prompt understanding and adherence.

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Post by abeppu »

Is it intentional that each of the prompts is given twice in that blockquote? It's done without a space, so e.g. in the 2nd example, the word "centeredvalley" appears because of the way the last/first words of the first/second repetition were mashed together. Does that indicate what was actually given to the engines, or was that a copy-paste issue made only while putting together the article? I could imagine that non-words like "cornera" in the last example could throw things off?

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Post by gl-prod »

muhammadusman wrote: post #34
mdorazio wrote: post #32

Since the author didn't have access to Midjourney, here's the first two prompts in MJ with default settings (not upscaled): https://imgur.com/a/siQG06O https://imgur.com/a/vp2oOHu

thanks for sharing this, do you mind if I include this in the post. I will credit you of course (let me know what you'd like linked to). update: I've edited the post to include these results as well

something something AI generated cannot be copyrighted [/s]

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Post by [deleted] »

usaar333 wrote: post #27
mdorazio wrote: post #22

Kind of strange to me that they didn't test any prompts with people in them. In my experience that tends to show the limitations of various models pretty quickly.

Lighting also tends to be pretty bad in complex scenes. I find the unrealistic shadows tends to break the photorealism of few light source scenes.

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Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Post by fumar »

theobromananda wrote: post #23

All three of these are horrible, and running Stable Diffusion locally produces incredibly better results as seen in this comment section.

MidJourney produces more consistent and usable results. I am running SD and also pay for MJ. I've tried several checkpoint and loras, but the output is often disappointing or incorrectly using the prompts.

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Post by capybara_2020 »

ewjt wrote: post #39
kouteiheika wrote: post #16

For reference, here's what you can get with a properly tweaked Stable Diffusion, all running locally on my PC. Can be set up on almost any PC with a mid range GPU in a few minutes if you know what you're doing. I didn't do any cherry picking; this is the first thing it generated. 4 images per prompt. 1st prompt: https://i.postimg.cc/T3nZ9bQy/1st.png 2nd prompt: https://i.postimg.cc/XNFm3dSs/2nd.png 3rd prompt: https:…

Can you elaborate on “properly tweaked”? When I use one of the Stable Diffusion and AUTOMATIC1111 templates on runpod.io, the results are absolutely worthless. This is using some of the popular prompts you can find on sites like prompthero that show amazing examples. It’s been serious expectation vs. reality disappointment for me and so I just pay the MidJourney or DALL-E fees.

First off are you using a custom model or the default SD model? The default model is not the greatest. Have you tried controlnet?

But yes SD can be a bit of a pain to use. Think of it like this. SD = Linux, Midjourney = Windows/MacOS. SD is more powerful and user controllable but that also means it has a steeper learning curve.

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Post by orbital-decay »

ewjt wrote: post #39
kouteiheika wrote: post #16

For reference, here's what you can get with a properly tweaked Stable Diffusion, all running locally on my PC. Can be set up on almost any PC with a mid range GPU in a few minutes if you know what you're doing. I didn't do any cherry picking; this is the first thing it generated. 4 images per prompt. 1st prompt: https://i.postimg.cc/T3nZ9bQy/1st.png 2nd prompt: https://i.postimg.cc/XNFm3dSs/2nd.png 3rd prompt: https:…

Can you elaborate on “properly tweaked”? When I use one of the Stable Diffusion and AUTOMATIC1111 templates on runpod.io, the results are absolutely worthless. This is using some of the popular prompts you can find on sites like prompthero that show amazing examples. It’s been serious expectation vs. reality disappointment for me and so I just pay the MidJourney or DALL-E fees.

Are you using txt2img with the vanilla model? SD's actual value is in the large array of higher-order input methods and tooling; as a tradeoff, it requires more knowledge. Similarly to 3D CGI, it's a highly technical area. You don't just enter the prompt with it.

You can finetune it on your own material, or choose one of the hundreds of public finetuned models. You can guide it in a precise manner with a sketch or by extracting a pose from a photo using controlnets or any other method. You can influence the colors. You can explicitly separate prompt parts so the tokens don't leak into each other. You can use it as a photobashing tool with a plugin to popular image editing software. Things like ComfyUI enable extremely complicated pipelines as well. etc etc etc

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Post by ignite »

poniko wrote: post #3

Midjurney is still so far ahead it's no competition. Did a lot of testing today and firefly generated so much errors with fingers and stuff, not seen that since the original stability release. Anyone know if the web firefly and the Photoshop version is the same model?

If midjourney could count fingers, I'd be thrilled!

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Post by jsnell »

Applejinx wrote: post #20
cainxinth wrote: post #6

Amazing how quickly Dalle-2 went from among the best image transformers to among the worst.

I don't know, what I saw in there (particularly with the haunted house) was a far broader POTENTIAL RANGE of outputs. I get that they were cheesier outputs, but it seems to me that those outputs were just as capable of coming from the other 'AIs'… if you let them. It's like each of these has a hidden giant pile of negative prompts, or additional positive prompts, that greatly narrow down the range of output. There ar…

It's not just about the haunted house. Just look at the DALLE-2 living room pictures closely. None of it makes any sense. And we're not even talking of subtle details, all of the first three pictures have a central object that the eye should be drawn to that's just a total mess. (The table that's being subsumed by a bunch of melting brown chairs in the first one, the i-don't-even-know-what that seems to be the second picture, and the whatever-this-is on the blue carpet.)

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Post by famouswaffles »

ewjt wrote: post #39
kouteiheika wrote: post #16

For reference, here's what you can get with a properly tweaked Stable Diffusion, all running locally on my PC. Can be set up on almost any PC with a mid range GPU in a few minutes if you know what you're doing. I didn't do any cherry picking; this is the first thing it generated. 4 images per prompt. 1st prompt: https://i.postimg.cc/T3nZ9bQy/1st.png 2nd prompt: https://i.postimg.cc/XNFm3dSs/2nd.png 3rd prompt: https:…

Can you elaborate on “properly tweaked”? When I use one of the Stable Diffusion and AUTOMATIC1111 templates on runpod.io, the results are absolutely worthless. This is using some of the popular prompts you can find on sites like prompthero that show amazing examples. It’s been serious expectation vs. reality disappointment for me and so I just pay the MidJourney or DALL-E fees.

You're not going to get even close to Midjourney or even Bing quality on SD without finetuning. It's that simple. When you do finetune, it will be restricted to that aesthetic and you won't get the same prompt understanding or adherence.

For all the promise of control and customization SD boasts, Midjourney beats it hands down in sheer quality. There's a reason like 99% of ai art comic creators stick to Midjourney despite the control handicap.

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