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Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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And here with BlueWillow https://www.bluewillow.ai/ 1: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1060989219432054835... 2: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1060989219432054835... 3: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1060989219432054835...

Seems a lot better than some of the ones in the post

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Amazing how quickly Dalle-2 went from among the best image transformers to among the worst.

The stagnation has been very curious. They are part of a large & generally competent org, which otherwise has remained far ahead of the competition, like GPT-4. Except... for DALL-E 2, where it did not just stagnate for over a year (on top of its bizarre blindspots like garbage anime generation), but actually seemed to get worse . They have an experimental model of some sort that some people have access to, but even…

I think they just don't care very much about DALL-E.

Which is fair enough, when you are a (relatively) small company competing with the likes of Google and Meta you really need to focus.

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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chatgpt next...

Dall-E 2 was almost immediately displaced by MidJourney. Nothing comes close to even GPT 3.5 at the moment.

Anthropic's models are better than GPT 3.5 in my opinion.

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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For reference, here's what you can get with a properly tweaked Stable Diffusion, all running locally on my PC. Can be set up on almost any PC with a mid range GPU in a few minutes if you know what you're doing. I didn't do any cherry picking; this is the first thing it generated. 4 images per prompt. 1st prompt: https://i.postimg.cc/T3nZ9bQy/1st.png 2nd prompt: https://i.postimg.cc/XNFm3dSs/2nd.png 3rd prompt: https:…

"Just" use a "properly tweaked" something.

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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For reference, here's what you can get with a properly tweaked Stable Diffusion, all running locally on my PC. Can be set up on almost any PC with a mid range GPU in a few minutes if you know what you're doing. I didn't do any cherry picking; this is the first thing it generated. 4 images per prompt. 1st prompt: https://i.postimg.cc/T3nZ9bQy/1st.png 2nd prompt: https://i.postimg.cc/XNFm3dSs/2nd.png 3rd prompt: https:…

Nice! Would you mind sharing which stable diff you used / where you obtained from?

I'm using my own custom trained model.

Here, I've uploaded it to civitai: https://civitai.com/models/94176

There are plenty of other good models too though.

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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For reference, here's what you can get with a properly tweaked Stable Diffusion, all running locally on my PC. Can be set up on almost any PC with a mid range GPU in a few minutes if you know what you're doing. I didn't do any cherry picking; this is the first thing it generated. 4 images per prompt. 1st prompt: https://i.postimg.cc/T3nZ9bQy/1st.png 2nd prompt: https://i.postimg.cc/XNFm3dSs/2nd.png 3rd prompt: https:…

thanks for doing this, I would like to include these into the blog post as well. Can I use these and credit you for them? (let me know what you'd like linked)

Sure. No need to credit me.

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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For comparison, these were generated using Stability.ai API: https://postimg.cc/gallery/MQfkgP7/ce388adf

I used stable-diffusion-xl-beta-v2-2-2 model, copypasted prompts from the blog post, one-shot for each prompt. I chose style presets that closely matched the prompt (added as suffixes in image filenames).

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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Can you elaborate on “properly tweaked”? When I use one of the Stable Diffusion and AUTOMATIC1111 templates on runpod.io, the results are absolutely worthless. This is using some of the popular prompts you can find on sites like prompthero that show amazing examples. It’s been serious expectation vs. reality disappointment for me and so I just pay the MidJourney or DALL-E fees.

Are you using txt2img with the vanilla model? SD's actual value is in the large array of higher-order input methods and tooling; as a tradeoff, it requires more knowledge. Similarly to 3D CGI, it's a highly technical area. You don't just enter the prompt with it. You can finetune it on your own material, or choose one of the hundreds of public finetuned models. You can guide it in a precise manner with a sketch or by…

Is there a coherent resource (not a scattered 'just google it' series of guides from all over the place) that encapsulates some of the concepts and workflows you're describing? What would be the best learning site/resource for arriving at understanding how to integrate and manipulate SD with precision like that? Thanks

Re: Comparing Adobe Firefly, Dalle-2, and OpenJourney

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate on “properly tweaked”? When I use one of the Stable Diffusion and AUTOMATIC1111 templates on runpod.io, the results are absolutely worthless. This is using some of the popular prompts you can find on sites like prompthero that show amazing examples. It’s been serious expectation vs. reality disappointment for me and so I just pay the MidJourney or DALL-E fees.

You're not going to get even close to Midjourney or even Bing quality on SD without finetuning. It's that simple. When you do finetune, it will be restricted to that aesthetic and you won't get the same prompt understanding or adherence. For all the promise of control and customization SD boasts, Midjourney beats it hands down in sheer quality. There's a reason like 99% of ai art comic creators stick to Midjourney de…

You load a model and have 6 sliders instead of one… it’s not exactly “fine tuning”.

If you want the power, it’s there. But nearly bone stock SD in auto1111 is going to get to any of these examples easily.

Show me the civitai equivalent for MJ or Dalle2. It doesn’t exist.

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