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Re: Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years

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Post by P_I_Staker »

xattt wrote: post #39
leoedin wrote: post #5

It's interesting seeing this situation play out across different subreddits. There seems to be 2 kinds of subreddits - the "category" kind (simple, descriptive name) and the "community" kind (have a defined purpose, could exist under a whole range of names) The moderators of all of them see themselves as somehow owning the community, but I think that's less clear to the users. To most users, r/Celebrities is a catego…

You’re right that no mod owns a particular subreddit, but Reddit does not have a monopoly on communities either. There are a bunch of forums online which will gladly accept an influx of refugees from reddit, and the world will move on. If there isn’t one, one will form, somewhere. However, past behaviour also predicts future behaviour. The current actions of board of directors (and the silence of others) speaks volum…

TBH, I can't remember all the drama and controversy over the years. This just seems like normal Reddit to me. It fits their MO to a tee.

Sure things were different 2005, but for the last 5-10 years it's been pretty clear what direction reddit has been headed in. So, I can't agree more that past behavior predicts future behavior.

Reddit's been like this for a long, long time.

Re: Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years

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Post by stiltzkin »

starttoaster wrote: post #106
bgro wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

reddit has some of the worst mods I’ve ever seen in any capacity. And they’re frequently in control of massive subreddits. I remember when hate speech was just discovered as a reason to ban people, and mods of major subreddits would find ways to use that either out of protest or complete incompetence to ban people. For example, banning users for disagreeing with a controversial decision because “I hate your take, thu…

I was banned from /r/police for mentioning Philip Brailsford, a cop and murderer that gets a lifetime disability pension for PTSD from executing someone on their knees in a local hotel’s hallway. I guess they probably hated my speech.

I was banned at r/beer because I critize Bud Light marketing, also the mod told me he did not like my Reddit Avatar.

Re: Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years

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Post by randomdata »

P_I_Staker wrote: post #140
randomdata wrote: post #125

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I was suspended from Reddit in its entirety because I said I wouldn't be offended if someone called me gay. I am not sure why think they I need to be offended by it. It does not seem like something to be ashamed of? But no big loss.

It's so weird what gets you banned. I'm a bit shocked by the gay thing though. In my experience they get weirdly defensive of big oppressive institutions. I got banned for a comment railing against the medical community. I don't recall exactly, but it wasn't really that bad. HackerNews is no better. I've gotten feedback for calling out SV and the nation of Germany... I guess I could have been more "constructive", but…

> I'm a bit shocked by the gay thing though.

Yeah. Of all the comments I have made, I least expected it to be that one. As it was a complete Reddit ban, not just a subreddit ban, it is possible that it was just Huffman doing his usual round of trolling and not really about the comment at all. I had participated in a discussion about the API changes earlier the same day said comment was made, so I was "on the radar".

Either way it was pretty funny.

Re: Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years

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Post by noodle »

randomdata wrote: post #135
noodle wrote: post #130

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Yes. For example, I was a mod on a larger tech related subreddit (trying to keep it generic) that was a critical part of my tech stack and daily work at the time. The mods above me would regularly promote their POV on certain topics and do various things to demote/remove the things that they disagreed with. In this way, the community artificially seemed to be more in favor of particular directions on certain topics.…

Perhaps I am missing some nuance, but that still seems like "some laughs" and, more importantly, not done in good faith. I get that they weren't audibly laughing, but it seems they were stroking some kind of emotional pleasure centre, choosing bad faith to feel it.

I can't really speak for the motivations of those people, but I don't consider potential direct financial gain to be "some laughs".

Re: Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years

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Post by sangnoir »

pimterry wrote: post #41

Interestingly, each hit of Reddit drama like this does seem to be genuinely driving real migrations elsewhere - the ex-mod's corresponding post about this on KBin ( https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration/t/59559/Removed-as-mod... ) now has more votes than this Reddit post, despite it being #1 in the obviously topical ModCoord subreddit, and on the front page of HN. Not a perfect comparison in any sense obviously, and…

Reddit admin:mod ratio is 1:N, the fediverse changes that to M:N. Between that and the funding model (or lack of one), I'm curious to discover the many failure modes that will occur in the coming months. I suspect instance owners (who pay the bills from personal funds) will be even less willing to "negotiate" than the current Reddit leadership.

I'm a big fan of decentralization, but the naivete of Fedi-zealots and the lack of tooling/standards is shocking to me. The Fediverse needs machine-readable equivalent of Subreddit rules, and which instances are (de)federated. The clients need to surface this info in an easy-to-use UI, and will massively help with automation, there current levels of human-moderation cannot scale; though there are plenty of gatekeepers who don't want to scale.

Re: Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years

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Post by lijok »

randomdata wrote: post #129
lijok wrote: post #23

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> Moderators absolutely can moderate without the API. Practically, and literally impossible. There's CP and other illegal material being posted in these subs every second. Without API access, you have to have dozens of moderators at all times checking every single incoming post.

> There's CP and other illegal material being posted in these subs every second. Oh well? That is a job for the police to deal with, not an unpaid moderator with a hobby. If you want to help out in your free time, cool, but beyond that, who cares?

What argument in response to "Moderators absolutely can moderate without the API." are you making here?

Re: Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years

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Post by throw16180339 »

password54321 wrote: post #11
Sentionolo wrote: post #7

I have no clue what moderates really do and I have not seen any difference yet on reddit.

Not much. Plenty of nonsense posts/comments are ignored by moderators but the community just downvotes them mostly out of sight. I would say the community itself does most of the work and always has been the case.

Most large subreddits use AutoModerator and bots that remove posts or filter them for moderator review. Filtered posts are visible to the poster, from the poster's profile, or by moderators. Also, Reddit's spam filter automatically quarantines posts/comments which contain link shorteners and some other sites. None of these systems are apparent to end users unless your post is filtered or removed.

Here are some concrete examples of automatic post removals from my sub.

• Autoplaying Videos - e.g. TikTok

• Short Posts - e.g. discussions under 10 characters in length

• Vague Bodies - e.g. all emojis or punctuation, "lol", "see title", "this", "ty"

• Vague Titles - e.g. all emojis or punctuation, "Looking for...", "THIS", etc.

Re: Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years

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Post by lijok »

yanderekko wrote: post #128
lijok wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Moderators absolutely can moderate without the API. Practically, and literally impossible. There's CP and other illegal material being posted in these subs every second. Without API access, you have to have dozens of moderators at all times checking every single incoming post.

So you seriously expect that when June 30th rolls around, basically all major subs are going to be flooded with CP and moderators across the site will be overwhelmed, plunging everything into chaos? That's an amazing prediction - guess we'll see how it plays out.

I wonder whether Reddit C-suite are thinking exactly like this and that's what's causing these misguided decisions.

Re: Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years

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Post by SpecialistK »

haswell wrote: post #93
TeMPOraL wrote: post #85

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I do. Reddit - specifically old.reddit.com - is the pinnacle of discussion board UIs (which is less of a commendation of Reddit, and more a damnation of every other platform, especially those that came after). And quality-wise, it's what you make of it - it's not a single site, it's a universe of mostly independent discussion boards, connected by SSO and a shared interaction model. Whether you spend time on Reddit's…

As a longtime (~15 year) user, I’m on the other side of the fence. Reddit has been on a downward slide for quite some time, and the quality of discussions there has been getting consistently worse. Many of the subs that used to bring me joy have been overtaken by the toxic sludge that you’ll find on other social media. There are still some pockets of goodness left, but it increasingly requires deliberate work to unsu…

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Re: Removed as moderator of /r/Celebrities after over 14 years

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Post by randomdata »

lijok wrote: post #146
randomdata wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's CP and other illegal material being posted in these subs every second. Oh well? That is a job for the police to deal with, not an unpaid moderator with a hobby. If you want to help out in your free time, cool, but beyond that, who cares?

What argument in response to "Moderators absolutely can moderate without the API." are you making here?

Of what purpose would getting into an argument serve? I ask, why would a mod care if someone else posts something illegal to a forum they don't own?
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